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SystemSystem Posts: 11,020
edited March 2017 in General

imagepoliticalbetting.com » Blog Archive » At the last Gorton by-election the Tories, led by the visionary pro-European Ted Heath, came within 557 votes of victory

After their extraordinary gain of a by-election seat from LAB in Copeland we have heard very little of the blue team’s prospects in Manchester Gorton which is expected to take place on May 4th. Yet as the panel shows the Tories got very close to victory in the seat in 1967.

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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,081
    edited March 2017
    First, though now is not the time for triumphalism.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,190
    Second like Winston S Churchill.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,329
    Second. The EU: the last piece of the damage Heath did to be undone.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,967
    A cheeky thread!
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    Ted Heath will always be viewed favourably by me and other Yorkshire folk.

    As part of the local government reform he took Middlesbrough out of Yorkshire.
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    Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    A friend of mine's father stood for the Tories in Gorton twice in 1974, urging the local voters to "stamp out Marksism". Unsurprisingly they rejected his entreaties...
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    A friend of mine's father stood for the Tories in Gorton twice in 1974, urging the local voters to "stamp out Marksism". Unsurprisingly they rejected his entreaties...

    What an awesome pun.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,817
    Morning comrades,

    So I see Theresa and Nicola have legs!!!!!!!!!!

    Who knew? Who knew? :open_mouth:
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    MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    RobD said:

    A cheeky thread!

    In what way?
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,081
    edited March 2017
    'Worried Britons notice opposite of everything May says is true

    THE exact opposite of anything Theresa May says is correct, concerned Britons have realised.

    May claimed Brexit will make the UK more united, sparking fears that she lives in a delusional fantasy world where grass grows on clouds.

    Office worker Tom Logan said: “I don’t see how we’re more united if Scotland is trying to leave and half the population thinks the other half are gullible racists or liberal ponces. May also said we’d cut red tape and become a great trading nation, but we’re employing loads more civil servants and it turns out all we’ve got to sell is Reggae Reggae Sauce."'

    http://tinyurl.com/n8w7ta2


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    MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    GIN1138 said:

    Morning comrades,

    So I see Theresa and Nicola have legs!!!!!!!!!!

    Who knew? Who knew? :open_mouth:


    They would be out on a limb otherwise

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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,967

    'Worried Britons notice opposite of everything May says is true

    THE exact opposite of anything Theresa May says is correct, concerned Britons have realised.

    May claimed Brexit will make the UK more united, sparking fears that she lives in a delusional fantasy world where grass grows on clouds.

    Office worker Tom Logan said: “I don’t see how we’re more united if Scotland is trying to leave and half the population thinks the other half are gullible racists or liberal ponces. May also said we’d cut red tape and become a great trading nation, but we’re employing loads more civil servants and it turns out all we’ve got to sell is Reggae Reggae Sauce."'

    http://tinyurl.com/n8w7ta2

    Cheeky, hiding a Daily Mash article behind a tiny url... :D
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,983
    Mr. Gin, did you know Davros could actually walk?

    He chose his enclosed wheelchair simply to avoid superficial headlines like that of the Daily Mail. That's why the daleks are fully enclosed. If it weren't for the Daily Mail, there would be no daleks.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,817
    Good news for @JackW as the "little blue pill" might be going "over the counter" shortly. :smiley:
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,891
    edited March 2017
    FPT

    The most noticable difference the early days of Brexit will make is the complexity of the forms we will have to fill in. This morning I received something which is known as a W-8BEN-E which I understand relates to a small investment I have in the US. It is 10 pages long and a flavour can be seen from question 1 under the title 'status'.

    "Are you a non participating FFI including a limited FFI or an FFI related to a reporting IGA FFI other than a deemed compliant FFI participating FFI or exempt beneficial owner?"

    Imagine the 'Leavers' of Clackton Hartlipool and Stoke who require aids such as 'open other end' on the bottom of milk-bottles grappling with FORMS like this?

    Because once we are on our own this is going to be the norm. Years of non bureaucratic existance will be over. It'll be like dealing with the US every day
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    ArtistArtist Posts: 1,882
    1997: 11.7%
    2001-9.9%
    2005-9.8%
    2010-11%
    2015-9.7%

    I'm going to stick my neck out and predict the Tories will get between 9.5 and 12%
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    Roger said:

    FPT

    The most noticable difference the early days of Brexit will make is the complexity of the forms we will have to fill in. This morning I received something which is known as a W-8BEN-E which I understand relates to a small investment I have in the US. It is 10 pages long and a flavour can be seen from question 1 under the title 'status'.

    "Are you a non participating FFI including a limited FFI or an FFI related to a reporting IGA FFI other than a deemed compliant FFI participating FFI or exempt beneficial owner?"

    Imagine the 'Leavers' of Clackton Hartlipool and Stoke who require aids such as 'open other end' on the bottom of milk-bottles grappling with FORMS?

    Because once we are on our own this is going to be the norm. Years of non bureaucratic existance will be over. It'll be like dealing with the US every day

    we are governed by socilaists I'm sure you are right.
    But...it seems wholly at odds with the intended direction of red tape:
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/27/cut-eu-red-tape-choking-britain-brexit-set-country-free-shackles/
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,926
    Heh
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,426
    edited March 2017
    Ironically Brexit might ultimately help realise Sir Ted Heath's dream.

    Brexit was the Pro-EU side's fall of Singapore, but we all know who won the war.

    http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/10/18/the-brexiteers-junckers-fifth-columnists/
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,612

    Ted Heath will always be viewed favourably by me and other Yorkshire folk.

    As part of the local government reform he took Middlesbrough out of Yorkshire.

    So which county is it in now?
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    Animal_pbAnimal_pb Posts: 608
    Roger said:

    FPT

    The most noticable difference the early days of Brexit will make is the complexity of the forms we will have to fill in. This morning I received something which is known as a W-8BEN-E which I understand relates to a small investment I have in the US. It is 10 pages long and a flavour can be seen from question 1 under the title 'status'.

    "Are you a non participating FFI including a limited FFI or an FFI related to a reporting IGA FFI other than a deemed compliant FFI participating FFI or exempt beneficial owner?"

    Imagine the 'Leavers' of Clackton Hartlipool and Stoke who require aids such as 'open other end' on the bottom of milk-bottles grappling with FORMS like this?

    Because once we are on our own this is going to be the norm. Years of non bureaucratic existance will be over. It'll be like dealing with the US every day

    You have to fill in a W-8BEN-E as a private investor? Really? What kind of stuff are you investing in that get caught by the US FATCA regulations?
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    Ted Heath will always be viewed favourably by me and other Yorkshire folk.

    As part of the local government reform he took Middlesbrough out of Yorkshire.

    So which county is it in now?
    Cleveland.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,653
    RobD said:

    'Worried Britons notice opposite of everything May says is true

    THE exact opposite of anything Theresa May says is correct, concerned Britons have realised.

    May claimed Brexit will make the UK more united, sparking fears that she lives in a delusional fantasy world where grass grows on clouds.

    Office worker Tom Logan said: “I don’t see how we’re more united if Scotland is trying to leave and half the population thinks the other half are gullible racists or liberal ponces. May also said we’d cut red tape and become a great trading nation, but we’re employing loads more civil servants and it turns out all we’ve got to sell is Reggae Reggae Sauce."'

    http://tinyurl.com/n8w7ta2

    Cheeky, hiding a Daily Mash article behind a tiny url... :D
    He did that yesterday with an article two months out of date...
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    SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    I wonder if the visionary pro-European foresaw what the Common Market would later become.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,817

    Mr. Gin, did you know Davros could actually walk?

    He chose his enclosed wheelchair simply to avoid superficial headlines like that of the Daily Mail. That's why the daleks are fully enclosed. If it weren't for the Daily Mail, there would be no daleks.

    You learn something new every day Morris. :D
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,926
    $2.80.
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,612

    Ted Heath will always be viewed favourably by me and other Yorkshire folk.

    As part of the local government reform he took Middlesbrough out of Yorkshire.

    So which county is it in now?
    Cleveland.
    No such place!

    If thew Queen were to visit Middlesbrough (yes, I know), which Lord Lieutenant would greet her?
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,329

    Ironically Brexit might ultimately help realise Sir Ted Heath's dream.

    Brexit was the Pro-EU side's fall of Singapore, but we all know who won the war.

    http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/10/18/the-brexiteers-junckers-fifth-columnists/

    I love how you've plugged AV in that.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,653
    Roger said:

    FPT

    The most noticable difference the early days of Brexit will make is the complexity of the forms we will have to fill in. This morning I received something which is known as a W-8BEN-E which I understand relates to a small investment I have in the US. It is 10 pages long and a flavour can be seen from question 1 under the title 'status'.

    "Are you a non participating FFI including a limited FFI or an FFI related to a reporting IGA FFI other than a deemed compliant FFI participating FFI or exempt beneficial owner?"

    Imagine the 'Leavers' of Clackton Hartlipool and Stoke who require aids such as 'open other end' on the bottom of milk-bottles grappling with FORMS like this?

    Because once we are on our own this is going to be the norm. Years of non bureaucratic existance will be over. It'll be like dealing with the US every day

    How many investments like that do you think Leavers of Clackton HartlEpool or Stoke have?
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,426
    edited March 2017
    So what you're saying Mike is that if the Tories don't get within 500 votes of Labour in the by election, Mrs May is an electoral liability.

    Agree.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,983
    Mr. Pulpstar, that sounds like an optimistic exchange rate forecast.
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    logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,715
    Artist said:

    1997: 11.7%
    2001-9.9%
    2005-9.8%
    2010-11%
    2015-9.7%

    I'm going to stick my neck out and predict the Tories will get between 9.5 and 12%

    Do the Tories not get squeezed in By Elections, like other parties?
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,190

    So what you're saying Mike is that if the Tories don't get within 500 votes of Labour in the by election, Mrs May is an electoral liability.

    Agree.

    You should have put yourself forward to be the Tory candidate.
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    isamisam Posts: 40,927

    Artist said:

    1997: 11.7%
    2001-9.9%
    2005-9.8%
    2010-11%
    2015-9.7%

    I'm going to stick my neck out and predict the Tories will get between 9.5 and 12%

    Do the Tories not get squeezed in By Elections, like other parties?
    Look at the FACTS from Stoke and Copeland
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,891
    Animal_pb said:

    Roger said:

    FPT

    The most noticable difference the early days of Brexit will make is the complexity of the forms we will have to fill in. This morning I received something which is known as a W-8BEN-E which I understand relates to a small investment I have in the US. It is 10 pages long and a flavour can be seen from question 1 under the title 'status'.

    "Are you a non participating FFI including a limited FFI or an FFI related to a reporting IGA FFI other than a deemed compliant FFI participating FFI or exempt beneficial owner?"

    Imagine the 'Leavers' of Clackton Hartlipool and Stoke who require aids such as 'open other end' on the bottom of milk-bottles grappling with FORMS like this?

    Because once we are on our own this is going to be the norm. Years of non bureaucratic existance will be over. It'll be like dealing with the US every day

    You have to fill in a W-8BEN-E as a private investor? Really? What kind of stuff are you investing in that get caught by the US FATCA regulations?
    I don't even know what the investment is. Possibly a unit trust or even just a part of a unit trust? It's so ridiculous and difficult i'm going to call them up and tell them to sell it whatever it is. It's driving me mad!
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    Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 12,995
    Roger said:

    FPT

    The most noticable difference the early days of Brexit will make is the complexity of the forms we will have to fill in. This morning I received something which is known as a W-8BEN-E which I understand relates to a small investment I have in the US. It is 10 pages long and a flavour can be seen from question 1 under the title 'status'.

    "Are you a non participating FFI including a limited FFI or an FFI related to a reporting IGA FFI other than a deemed compliant FFI participating FFI or exempt beneficial owner?"

    Imagine the 'Leavers' of Clackton Hartlipool and Stoke who require aids such as 'open other end' on the bottom of milk-bottles grappling with FORMS like this?

    Because once we are on our own this is going to be the norm. Years of non bureaucratic existance will be over. It'll be like dealing with the US every day

    You should definitely go to Hartlepool and make a short film about what you find there. Working title: A Coastal Town They Forgot to Close Down.
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    mattmatt Posts: 3,789
    Animal_pb said:

    Roger said:

    FPT

    The most noticable difference the early days of Brexit will make is the complexity of the forms we will have to fill in. This morning I received something which is known as a W-8BEN-E which I understand relates to a small investment I have in the US. It is 10 pages long and a flavour can be seen from question 1 under the title 'status'.

    "Are you a non participating FFI including a limited FFI or an FFI related to a reporting IGA FFI other than a deemed compliant FFI participating FFI or exempt beneficial owner?"

    Imagine the 'Leavers' of Clackton Hartlipool and Stoke who require aids such as 'open other end' on the bottom of milk-bottles grappling with FORMS like this?

    Because once we are on our own this is going to be the norm. Years of non bureaucratic existance will be over. It'll be like dealing with the US every day

    You have to fill in a W-8BEN-E as a private investor? Really? What kind of stuff are you investing in that get caught by the US FATCA regulations?
    Structured capital markets products by the sounds of it. One doubts that they are common-place investments in Clacton (and if Roger plans to patronise, it's helpful to at least get the placenames correct).
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    tlg86 said:

    So what you're saying Mike is that if the Tories don't get within 500 votes of Labour in the by election, Mrs May is an electoral liability.

    Agree.

    You should have put yourself forward to be the Tory candidate.
    I would make for a terrible MP.

    Being a Tory and a Liverpool FC fan in Manchester Gorton would not go down well.
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,612
    For the benefit of Mr Eagles and other proud Yorkshire folk:

    http://www.nyll.org.uk/about/county-facts/

    Clearly, Middlesbrough is a small town in Yorkshire!
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    logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,715

    RobD said:

    A cheeky thread!

    In what way?
    In a good way.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,926
    edited March 2017

    Mr. Pulpstar, that sounds like an optimistic exchange rate forecast.

    It is what 50 years of the same old Labour-Tory rule does to a country.
    We needed Grimmond :>
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    HHemmeligHHemmelig Posts: 617
    edited March 2017
    Roger said:

    FPT

    The most noticable difference the early days of Brexit will make is the complexity of the forms we will have to fill in. This morning I received something which is known as a W-8BEN-E which I understand relates to a small investment I have in the US. It is 10 pages long and a flavour can be seen from question 1 under the title 'status'.

    "Are you a non participating FFI including a limited FFI or an FFI related to a reporting IGA FFI other than a deemed compliant FFI participating FFI or exempt beneficial owner?"

    Imagine the 'Leavers' of Clackton Hartlipool and Stoke who require aids such as 'open other end' on the bottom of milk-bottles grappling with FORMS like this?

    Because once we are on our own this is going to be the norm. Years of non bureaucratic existance will be over. It'll be like dealing with the US every day

    As a staunch Remainer, may I say that this kind of condescending snobbery infuriates me. I cannot see how anyone could see it as anything other than totally counter-productive. It is one of the key reasons why we lost the referendum and have remained on the back foot ever since. Making fun of Leavers' supposed lack of intelligence whilst not even bothering to spell the towns correctly is rather ironic to say the least.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,983
    Mr. Pulpstar, if we'd had Lib Dem rule for that long, the currency would be weaker due to membership of the single currency.
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    Animal_pbAnimal_pb Posts: 608
    Roger said:

    Animal_pb said:

    Roger said:

    FPT

    The most noticable difference the early days of Brexit will make is the complexity of the forms we will have to fill in. This morning I received something which is known as a W-8BEN-E which I understand relates to a small investment I have in the US. It is 10 pages long and a flavour can be seen from question 1 under the title 'status'.

    "Are you a non participating FFI including a limited FFI or an FFI related to a reporting IGA FFI other than a deemed compliant FFI participating FFI or exempt beneficial owner?"

    Imagine the 'Leavers' of Clackton Hartlipool and Stoke who require aids such as 'open other end' on the bottom of milk-bottles grappling with FORMS like this?

    Because once we are on our own this is going to be the norm. Years of non bureaucratic existance will be over. It'll be like dealing with the US every day

    You have to fill in a W-8BEN-E as a private investor? Really? What kind of stuff are you investing in that get caught by the US FATCA regulations?
    I don't even know what the investment is. Possibly a unit trust or even just a part of a unit trust? It's so ridiculous and difficult i'm going to call them up and tell them to sell it whatever it is. It's driving me mad!
    Sounds wise. The last thing you want is to appear on an IRS orange jumpsuit candidates list - if you've somehow managed to get caught by these rules (they were designed to capture major USD flows between financial entities), get out, now.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,653

    So what you're saying Mike is that if the Tories don't get within 500 votes of Labour in the by election, Mrs May is an electoral liability.

    Agree.

    Posh boy TINO....
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,891
    Animal

    You seem to know what you are talking about. Is it crap?


    "I am writing to you as you currently hold a number of US stocks within the Portfolio we manage on your behalf. As you are aware from previous correspondence, we are moving the custody of investments to SEI on 28 April 2017. As they are a replacement custodian the US Internal Revenue Service (‘IRS’) rules insist that a new W8 form is completed.

    By way of a reminder, the purpose of this form is to permit the payment of 15% withholding tax, instead of the usual 30% for income arising from your US stocks and due to the above transfer date, I need to ask you to return this form to our London office no later than Friday 21 April. This will then able us to make sure you pay the correct level of tax".
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,926

    Mr. Pulpstar, if we'd had Lib Dem rule for that long, the currency would be weaker due to membership of the single currency.

    Can you give me the mark-sterling rates between 67 and now ?
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,419
    Alas Heath’s achievements are now viewed by the Tories in much the same way that the LAB movement views Tony Blair.

    Blair's election record: 3 elections - 2 massive landslide voctories, 1 other workable majority.
    Heath's election record: 4 elections - 1 working majority, 2 narrow defeats, 1 heavy defeat.

    Hardly the same.

    Heath's greatest achievement was in proving both that the post-war consensus was unworkable and that it couldn't - at the time - be reformed. In his proof, he enabled the maturing of what would later become Thatcherism but it would take the Winter of Discontent for the Conservative Party to be ready to accept the price that would need to be paid for the reforms to become embedded.

    His government failed but in that failure were germinated the seeds of recovery.
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    So what you're saying Mike is that if the Tories don't get within 500 votes of Labour in the by election, Mrs May is an electoral liability.

    Agree.

    Posh boy TINO....
    At the last general election I campaigned for four Tory candidates to be elected.

    Not bad for a TINO, out of curiosity how many Tory MPs did you help get elected at the last general election.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,653
    For reasons which escape me, TSE omits to mention the name of the Conservative candidate who nearly took the seat.......Winston Churchill.....

    An innocent oversight, no doubt....
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,060

    Roger said:

    FPT

    The most noticable difference the early days of Brexit will make is the complexity of the forms we will have to fill in. This morning I received something which is known as a W-8BEN-E which I understand relates to a small investment I have in the US. It is 10 pages long and a flavour can be seen from question 1 under the title 'status'.

    "Are you a non participating FFI including a limited FFI or an FFI related to a reporting IGA FFI other than a deemed compliant FFI participating FFI or exempt beneficial owner?"

    Imagine the 'Leavers' of Clackton Hartlipool and Stoke who require aids such as 'open other end' on the bottom of milk-bottles grappling with FORMS like this?

    Because once we are on our own this is going to be the norm. Years of non bureaucratic existance will be over. It'll be like dealing with the US every day

    How many investments like that do you think Leavers of Clackton HartlEpool or Stoke have?
    You mean the Britain where 'every worker becomes a shareholder' failed to materialise? Perhaps something for Maggie 2.0's inbox.
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    PaganPagan Posts: 259
    Roger said:

    FPT

    The most noticable difference the early days of Brexit will make is the complexity of the forms we will have to fill in. This morning I received something which is known as a W-8BEN-E which I understand relates to a small investment I have in the US. It is 10 pages long and a flavour can be seen from question 1 under the title 'status'.

    "Are you a non participating FFI including a limited FFI or an FFI related to a reporting IGA FFI other than a deemed compliant FFI participating FFI or exempt beneficial owner?"

    Imagine the 'Leavers' of Clackton Hartlipool and Stoke who require aids such as 'open other end' on the bottom of milk-bottles grappling with FORMS like this?

    Because once we are on our own this is going to be the norm. Years of non bureaucratic existance will be over. It'll be like dealing with the US every day

    And what percentage of the population do you think has or can afford small investments overseas Roger? Hell most of us cant afford sticking a few quid in a building society. Oh well never mind that my pay should be plundered so those few percent rich enough to invest overseas like you dont have to fill out a 10 page form
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,926
    Roger said:

    Animal

    You seem to know what you are talking about. Is it crap?

    "I am writing to you as you currently hold a number of US stocks within the Portfolio we manage on your behalf. As you are aware from previous correspondence, we are moving the custody of investments to SEI on 28 April 2017. As they are a replacement custodian the US Internal Revenue Service (‘IRS’) rules insist that a new W8 form is completed.
    By way of a reminder, the purpose of this form is to permit the payment of 15% withholding tax, instead of the usual 30% for income arising from your US stocks and due to the above transfer date, I need to ask you to return this form to our London office no later than Friday 21 April. This will then able us to make sure you pay the correct level of tax".

    Blimey that sounds a bit exotic... what is this investment returning :>
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,891
    HHemmelig said:

    Roger said:

    FPT

    The most noticable difference the early days of Brexit will make is the complexity of the forms we will have to fill in. This morning I received something which is known as a W-8BEN-E which I understand relates to a small investment I have in the US. It is 10 pages long and a flavour can be seen from question 1 under the title 'status'.

    "Are you a non participating FFI including a limited FFI or an FFI related to a reporting IGA FFI other than a deemed compliant FFI participating FFI or exempt beneficial owner?"

    Imagine the 'Leavers' of Clackton Hartlipool and Stoke who require aids such as 'open other end' on the bottom of milk-bottles grappling with FORMS like this?

    Because once we are on our own this is going to be the norm. Years of non bureaucratic existance will be over. It'll be like dealing with the US every day

    As a staunch Remainer, may I say that this kind of condescending snobbery infuriates me. I cannot see how anyone could see it as anything other than totally counter-productive. It is one of the key reasons why we lost the referendum and have remained on the back foot ever since. Making fun of Leavers' supposed lack of intelligence whilst not even bothering to spell the towns correctly is rather ironic to say the least.
    Just my sense of humour. You don't have to get used to it
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,983
    Mr. Pulpstar, the Deutschmark doesn't exist any more. An exporting nation (Germany) having a strong currency is not very surprising.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,926
    @Roger What on earth have you 'invested' in though :D ?
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,190
    Pulpstar said:

    Mr. Pulpstar, that sounds like an optimistic exchange rate forecast.

    It is what 50 years of the same old Labour-Tory rule does to a country.
    We needed Grimmond :>
    Perhaps the Labour party would give all those things up easily. Perhaps it would agree to a single currency, to total abolition of the pound sterling. Perhaps, being totally incompetent with monetary matters, they’d be only too delighted to hand over full responsibility as they did to the IMF, to a central bank. The fact is they have no competence on money and no competence on the economy—so, yes, the right hon. Gentleman would be glad to hand it all over. What is the point in trying to get elected to Parliament only to hand over your sterling and the powers of this House to Europe?

    Mrs T in October 1990
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,612

    So what you're saying Mike is that if the Tories don't get within 500 votes of Labour in the by election, Mrs May is an electoral liability.

    Agree.

    Posh boy TINO....
    At the last general election I campaigned for four Tory candidates to be elected.

    Not bad for a TINO, out of curiosity how many Tory MPs did you help get elected at the last general election.
    Four - that's nothing. At the next GE Jeremy Corbyn will help well over 300 Tory candidates get elected!
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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    RobD said:

    'Worried Britons notice opposite of everything May says is true

    THE exact opposite of anything Theresa May says is correct, concerned Britons have realised.

    May claimed Brexit will make the UK more united, sparking fears that she lives in a delusional fantasy world where grass grows on clouds.

    Office worker Tom Logan said: “I don’t see how we’re more united if Scotland is trying to leave and half the population thinks the other half are gullible racists or liberal ponces. May also said we’d cut red tape and become a great trading nation, but we’re employing loads more civil servants and it turns out all we’ve got to sell is Reggae Reggae Sauce."'

    http://tinyurl.com/n8w7ta2

    Cheeky, hiding a Daily Mash article behind a tiny url... :D
    I don't follow tinyurls posted here. The poster is obviously trying to hide something...
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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    On topic, I shall not feed the troll.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,926

    Mr. Pulpstar, the Deutschmark doesn't exist any more. An exporting nation (Germany) having a strong currency is not very surprising.

    Yes, better to be a nation of export rather than the hyperconsuming UK for sure.
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    According to your table, Winston S Churchill was actually 578 votes short of winning and not 557 as stated.
    Btw why has Winston Churchill's middle initial been included and not those of the other candidates?
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    Animal_pbAnimal_pb Posts: 608
    Roger said:

    Animal

    You seem to know what you are talking about. Is it crap?


    "I am writing to you as you currently hold a number of US stocks within the Portfolio we manage on your behalf. As you are aware from previous correspondence, we are moving the custody of investments to SEI on 28 April 2017. As they are a replacement custodian the US Internal Revenue Service (‘IRS’) rules insist that a new W8 form is completed.

    By way of a reminder, the purpose of this form is to permit the payment of 15% withholding tax, instead of the usual 30% for income arising from your US stocks and due to the above transfer date, I need to ask you to return this form to our London office no later than Friday 21 April. This will then able us to make sure you pay the correct level of tax".

    I Am Not A Financial Advisor.

    However, they are right about the withholding tax aspect, if your investment portfolio is such that you fall under the FATCA regime. Personally, in your position I'd talk to my financial advisor about how to structure my investment holdings to avoid this exposure. It's perfectly possible to own US investments through custodial arrangements that leave the filing responsibilities with the investment managers.
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    HHemmeligHHemmelig Posts: 617

    Alas Heath’s achievements are now viewed by the Tories in much the same way that the LAB movement views Tony Blair.

    Blair's election record: 3 elections - 2 massive landslide voctories, 1 other workable majority.
    Heath's election record: 4 elections - 1 working majority, 2 narrow defeats, 1 heavy defeat.

    Hardly the same.

    .

    One of the main reasons Heath was/is strongly disliked by the Tory grassroots is the fact that he was rude and obnoxious to virtually everyone he met. And on this he made no distinction between those who agreed with him and those who didn't, nor between the duke and the dustman.

    The ranks of those who were activists during Heath's leadership are heavily depleted now, but in many Tory associations you will still find a horror story or two about Heath coming to canvass in the 1970s, especially in seats near to his own in SE London.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,983
    Marine A sentenced to 7 years for manslaughter:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39417239
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,653

    For reasons which escape me, TSE omits to mention the name of the Conservative candidate who nearly took the seat.......Winston Churchill.....

    An innocent oversight, no doubt....

    Edit - apologies -,missed the table on vanilla - but perhaps the name of the candidate had more to do with his success than the pro-EU views of the Tory leader?
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,081

    RobD said:

    'Worried Britons notice opposite of everything May says is true

    THE exact opposite of anything Theresa May says is correct, concerned Britons have realised.

    May claimed Brexit will make the UK more united, sparking fears that she lives in a delusional fantasy world where grass grows on clouds.

    Office worker Tom Logan said: “I don’t see how we’re more united if Scotland is trying to leave and half the population thinks the other half are gullible racists or liberal ponces. May also said we’d cut red tape and become a great trading nation, but we’re employing loads more civil servants and it turns out all we’ve got to sell is Reggae Reggae Sauce."'

    http://tinyurl.com/n8w7ta2

    Cheeky, hiding a Daily Mash article behind a tiny url... :D
    I don't follow tinyurls posted here. The poster is obviously trying to hide something...
    Yeah, I was trying to fool the REALLY dumb PBers into thinking it was a real rather than satirical piece. Thank goodness you didn't fall into my cunning trap.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,967

    RobD said:

    'Worried Britons notice opposite of everything May says is true

    THE exact opposite of anything Theresa May says is correct, concerned Britons have realised.

    May claimed Brexit will make the UK more united, sparking fears that she lives in a delusional fantasy world where grass grows on clouds.

    Office worker Tom Logan said: “I don’t see how we’re more united if Scotland is trying to leave and half the population thinks the other half are gullible racists or liberal ponces. May also said we’d cut red tape and become a great trading nation, but we’re employing loads more civil servants and it turns out all we’ve got to sell is Reggae Reggae Sauce."'

    http://tinyurl.com/n8w7ta2

    Cheeky, hiding a Daily Mash article behind a tiny url... :D
    I don't follow tinyurls posted here. The poster is obviously trying to hide something...
    Yeah, I was trying to fool the REALLY dumb PBers into thinking it was a real rather than satirical piece. Thank goodness you didn't fall into my cunning trap.
    You see I could tell something was amiss when I opened the link and it said "Daily Mash".
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,891
    Dura_Ace said:

    Roger said:

    FPT

    The most noticable difference the early days of Brexit will make is the complexity of the forms we will have to fill in. This morning I received something which is known as a W-8BEN-E which I understand relates to a small investment I have in the US. It is 10 pages long and a flavour can be seen from question 1 under the title 'status'.

    "Are you a non participating FFI including a limited FFI or an FFI related to a reporting IGA FFI other than a deemed compliant FFI participating FFI or exempt beneficial owner?"

    Imagine the 'Leavers' of Clackton Hartlipool and Stoke who require aids such as 'open other end' on the bottom of milk-bottles grappling with FORMS like this?

    Because once we are on our own this is going to be the norm. Years of non bureaucratic existance will be over. It'll be like dealing with the US every day

    You should definitely go to Hartlepool and make a short film about what you find there. Working title: A Coastal Town They Forgot to Close Down.
    That's Ronnie Scott's line. Or 'I went to Scunthorpe last week. It was closed'. Or 'Anyone know Scunthorpe well? ......I told you not to let them in' Or if Typhoo put the T in Britain....

    As for making a film ....Sacha Baron Cohen got there first

    http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03156/grimsby1_3156581b.jpg
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,987

    According to your table, Winston S Churchill was actually 578 votes short of winning and not 557 as stated.
    Btw why has Winston Churchill's middle initial been included and not those of the other candidates?

    Presumably because it's from Wikipedia, and that needs to differentiate "S" from another Winston.
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,081

    For reasons which escape me, TSE omits to mention the name of the Conservative candidate who nearly took the seat.......Winston Churchill.....

    An innocent oversight, no doubt....

    Golly, didn't you get pompously worked up for nothing.
    Again.
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    geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,150
    HHemmelig said:

    Alas Heath’s achievements are now viewed by the Tories in much the same way that the LAB movement views Tony Blair.

    Blair's election record: 3 elections - 2 massive landslide voctories, 1 other workable majority.
    Heath's election record: 4 elections - 1 working majority, 2 narrow defeats, 1 heavy defeat.

    Hardly the same.

    .

    One of the main reasons Heath was/is strongly disliked by the Tory grassroots is the fact that he was rude and obnoxious to virtually everyone he met. And on this he made no distinction between those who agreed with him and those who didn't, nor between the duke and the dustman.

    The ranks of those who were activists during Heath's leadership are heavily depleted now, but in many Tory associations you will still find a horror story or two about Heath coming to canvass in the 1970s, especially in seats near to his own in SE London.
    Quite a contrast to his nemesis, MT.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,967

    According to your table, Winston S Churchill was actually 578 votes short of winning and not 557 as stated.
    Btw why has Winston Churchill's middle initial been included and not those of the other candidates?

    To differentiate from *the* Winston Churchill I suspect.
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    FF43FF43 Posts: 15,710
    FPT
    Another very important way the EU will be changed by Brexit is that it will discriminate alot more against non-members. The assumption to now is that every country wants to be part of the EU eventually so it hasn't felt the need to discriminate. That assumption has been blown away by Brexit so it will want to be clearer about the benefits of membership. Life outside will be more uncomfortable, but also for Britain but also Switzerland and Norway.
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    Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    GIN1138 said:

    Morning comrades,

    So I see Theresa and Nicola have legs!!!!!!!!!!

    Who knew? Who knew? :open_mouth:

    Tomorrows headline: Women have legs - nation in shock
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,891
    Animal_pb said:

    Roger said:

    Animal

    You seem to know what you are talking about. Is it crap?


    "I am writing to you as you currently hold a number of US stocks within the Portfolio we manage on your behalf. As you are aware from previous correspondence, we are moving the custody of investments to SEI on 28 April 2017. As they are a replacement custodian the US Internal Revenue Service (‘IRS’) rules insist that a new W8 form is completed.

    By way of a reminder, the purpose of this form is to permit the payment of 15% withholding tax, instead of the usual 30% for income arising from your US stocks and due to the above transfer date, I need to ask you to return this form to our London office no later than Friday 21 April. This will then able us to make sure you pay the correct level of tax".

    I Am Not A Financial Advisor.

    However, they are right about the withholding tax aspect, if your investment portfolio is such that you fall under the FATCA regime. Personally, in your position I'd talk to my financial advisor about how to structure my investment holdings to avoid this exposure. It's perfectly possible to own US investments through custodial arrangements that leave the filing responsibilities with the investment managers.
    Thanks. I just have a loathing of forms and they seem to be on the up.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,967
    rcs1000 said:

    According to your table, Winston S Churchill was actually 578 votes short of winning and not 557 as stated.
    Btw why has Winston Churchill's middle initial been included and not those of the other candidates?

    Presumably because it's from Wikipedia, and that needs to differentiate "S" from another Winston.
    The name of the page being linked to doesn't have to match exactly the text being used for the link, so I don't think that is it.
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    For reasons which escape me, TSE omits to mention the name of the Conservative candidate who nearly took the seat.......Winston Churchill.....

    An innocent oversight, no doubt....

    Edit - apologies -,missed the table on vanilla - but perhaps the name of the candidate had more to do with his success than the pro-EU views of the Tory leader?
    Oh my.

    In the same month there was another by election where the Tory candidate saw his share of the vote go up by 7.1% compared to Winston S Churchill's piddling 4.6% increase.

    The other Tory candidate didn't have a name as illustrious as Churchill. Ergo we can infer the boost was down to Heath's Pro-EC views.
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    HHemmeligHHemmelig Posts: 617
    edited March 2017
    Roger said:

    HHemmelig said:

    Roger said:

    FPT

    The most noticable difference the early days of Brexit will make is the complexity of the forms we will have to fill in. This morning I received something which is known as a W-8BEN-E which I understand relates to a small investment I have in the US. It is 10 pages long and a flavour can be seen from question 1 under the title 'status'.

    "Are you a non participating FFI including a limited FFI or an FFI related to a reporting IGA FFI other than a deemed compliant FFI participating FFI or exempt beneficial owner?"

    Imagine the 'Leavers' of Clackton Hartlipool and Stoke who require aids such as 'open other end' on the bottom of milk-bottles grappling with FORMS like this?

    Because once we are on our own this is going to be the norm. Years of non bureaucratic existance will be over. It'll be like dealing with the US every day

    As a staunch Remainer, may I say that this kind of condescending snobbery infuriates me. I cannot see how anyone could see it as anything other than totally counter-productive. It is one of the key reasons why we lost the referendum and have remained on the back foot ever since. Making fun of Leavers' supposed lack of intelligence whilst not even bothering to spell the towns correctly is rather ironic to say the least.
    Just my sense of humour. You don't have to get used to it
    Why do you feel the need to reinforce an already very dominant stereotype that all Remainers are condescending metropolitan snobs who know and care nothing for much of the country? Do you secretly want to be governed by a populist right wing government for the next 20 years? It's all very well saying "it's just my sense of humour" but, for example, you would find an equivalent joke playing on racial stereotypes beyond the pale.
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,298
    edited March 2017
    Roger said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Roger said:

    FPT

    The most noticable difference the early days of Brexit will make is the complexity of the forms we will have to fill in. This morning I received something which is known as a W-8BEN-E which I understand relates to a small investment I have in the US. It is 10 pages long and a flavour can be seen from question 1 under the title 'status'.

    "Are you a non participating FFI including a limited FFI or an FFI related to a reporting IGA FFI other than a deemed compliant FFI participating FFI or exempt beneficial owner?"

    Imagine the 'Leavers' of Clackton Hartlipool and Stoke who require aids such as 'open other end' on the bottom of milk-bottles grappling with FORMS like this?

    Because once we are on our own this is going to be the norm. Years of non bureaucratic existance will be over. It'll be like dealing with the US every day

    You should definitely go to Hartlepool and make a short film about what you find there. Working title: A Coastal Town They Forgot to Close Down.
    That's Ronnie Scott's line. Or 'I went to Scunthorpe last week. It was closed'. Or 'Anyone know Scunthorpe well? ......I told you not to let them in' Or if Typhoo put the T in Britain....

    As for making a film ....Sacha Baron Cohen got there first

    http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03156/grimsby1_3156581b.jpg
    Grimsby is a classic airplane film. You would never dream of going to see it, or even renting it "normally" but can get away with it on a plane because no one is really watching.

    Of course I gave it all away when I did watch it on the plane by laughing like a drain all the way through thereby attracting more attention than I would have wished.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,329

    Alas Heath’s achievements are now viewed by the Tories in much the same way that the LAB movement views Tony Blair.

    Blair's election record: 3 elections - 2 massive landslide voctories, 1 other workable majority.
    Heath's election record: 4 elections - 1 working majority, 2 narrow defeats, 1 heavy defeat.

    Hardly the same.

    Heath's greatest achievement was in proving both that the post-war consensus was unworkable and that it couldn't - at the time - be reformed. In his proof, he enabled the maturing of what would later become Thatcherism but it would take the Winter of Discontent for the Conservative Party to be ready to accept the price that would need to be paid for the reforms to become embedded.

    His government failed but in that failure were germinated the seeds of recovery.

    Cameron's greatest achievement might be in proving the post-Suez consensus on Europe was unworkable and that it couldn't be reformed.

    In this proof, he might have enabled the maturing of a responsible, independent self-governing UK match-fit and ready to face the world that accepts the price of exit as something that needs to be paid to enable these reforms to be realised.
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    For reasons which escape me, TSE omits to mention the name of the Conservative candidate who nearly took the seat.......Winston Churchill.....

    An innocent oversight, no doubt....

    Edit - apologies -,missed the table on vanilla - but perhaps the name of the candidate had more to do with his success than the pro-EU views of the Tory leader?
    It was actually quite a small swing for a mid-term by-election in the period (noting Labour won a big victory in 1966 so were starting from a high base). There was a 16.5% swing in Leicester SW on the same day, and the Tories gained Meriden, Dudley and Acton on bigger swings a few months later in March 1968.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,653

    For reasons which escape me, TSE omits to mention the name of the Conservative candidate who nearly took the seat.......Winston Churchill.....

    An innocent oversight, no doubt....

    Edit - apologies -,missed the table on vanilla - but perhaps the name of the candidate had more to do with his success than the pro-EU views of the Tory leader?
    Ergo we can infer the boost was down to Heath's Pro-EC views.
    Or the state of the country?

    Did either candidate campaign on a pro-EEC platform?
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    Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    Lighting the blue touch paper.....

    The Government now realises the hardline stance went too far by bolstering the confidence of Brexit supporters with the “intention of creating chaos”, they say.

    In private, British officials are ready to discuss the UK remaining in the EU’s customs union as part of a transitional arrangement, one told the BBC.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-news-theresa-may-leave-eu-threat-no-deal-diplomats-uk-prime-minister-economic-damage-a7653296.html

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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,836
    Manchester Gorton (like most of Manchester City) was very different then. It had a much bigger Conservative-supporting middle class.
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    Animal_pbAnimal_pb Posts: 608
    Roger said:

    Animal_pb said:

    Roger said:

    Animal

    You seem to know what you are talking about. Is it crap?


    "I am writing to you as you currently hold a number of US stocks within the Portfolio we manage on your behalf. As you are aware from previous correspondence, we are moving the custody of investments to SEI on 28 April 2017. As they are a replacement custodian the US Internal Revenue Service (‘IRS’) rules insist that a new W8 form is completed.

    By way of a reminder, the purpose of this form is to permit the payment of 15% withholding tax, instead of the usual 30% for income arising from your US stocks and due to the above transfer date, I need to ask you to return this form to our London office no later than Friday 21 April. This will then able us to make sure you pay the correct level of tax".

    I Am Not A Financial Advisor.

    However, they are right about the withholding tax aspect, if your investment portfolio is such that you fall under the FATCA regime. Personally, in your position I'd talk to my financial advisor about how to structure my investment holdings to avoid this exposure. It's perfectly possible to own US investments through custodial arrangements that leave the filing responsibilities with the investment managers.
    Thanks. I just have a loathing of forms and they seem to be on the up.
    In the case of the US, it's justified (although FATCA was a response to the Great Financial Crisis, not Brexit). Once you're registered as a US taxpayer, even for WHT purposes, there's always a chance (possibly infinitesimal, but still) that you'll get extradited by the IRS, usually for something someone else did.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,967

    Lighting the blue touch paper.....

    The Government now realises the hardline stance went too far by bolstering the confidence of Brexit supporters with the “intention of creating chaos”, they say.

    In private, British officials are ready to discuss the UK remaining in the EU’s customs union as part of a transitional arrangement, one told the BBC.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-news-theresa-may-leave-eu-threat-no-deal-diplomats-uk-prime-minister-economic-damage-a7653296.html

    Quoting EU diplomats. Salt on standby....
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    logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,715
    RobD said:

    According to your table, Winston S Churchill was actually 578 votes short of winning and not 557 as stated.
    Btw why has Winston Churchill's middle initial been included and not those of the other candidates?

    To differentiate from *the* Winston Churchill I suspect.
    I thought THE Churchill was Winston Spencer Churchill, but on looking at Wikipedia it seems he was Sir Winston Leonard Spencer-Churchill.
    The Gorton one was his grandson https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winston_Churchill_(1940–2010)
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,987
    RobD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    According to your table, Winston S Churchill was actually 578 votes short of winning and not 557 as stated.
    Btw why has Winston Churchill's middle initial been included and not those of the other candidates?

    Presumably because it's from Wikipedia, and that needs to differentiate "S" from another Winston.
    The name of the page being linked to doesn't have to match exactly the text being used for the link, so I don't think that is it.
    I suspect it's simply because whoever edited the page was lazy :-)
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,612
    RobD said:

    According to your table, Winston S Churchill was actually 578 votes short of winning and not 557 as stated.
    Btw why has Winston Churchill's middle initial been included and not those of the other candidates?

    To differentiate from *the* Winston Churchill I suspect.
    The candidate clearly wouldn't want to be confused with someone responsible for the use of chemicals weapons against the citizens of Iraq.
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    Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    edited March 2017
    Sean_F said:

    Manchester Gorton (like most of Manchester City) was very different then. It had a much bigger Conservative-supporting middle class.

    I was over there (Gorton) a few weeks back. I cannot believe it will vote anything other than Labour. Some parts are nicer than others, some parts are awful.

    It did not strike me as Tory territory.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,967

    RobD said:

    According to your table, Winston S Churchill was actually 578 votes short of winning and not 557 as stated.
    Btw why has Winston Churchill's middle initial been included and not those of the other candidates?

    To differentiate from *the* Winston Churchill I suspect.
    I thought THE Churchill was Winston Spencer Churchill, but on looking at Wikipedia it seems he was Sir Winston Leonard Spencer-Churchill.
    The Gorton one was his grandson https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winston_Churchill_(1940–2010)
    The real one had died a few years before.. :p
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    CookieCookie Posts: 11,445
    Inner south-east Manchester in the mid-to-late sixties was a different place to what it is now. There were many leafy middle-class areas (Fallowfield, Rusholme, Levenshulme) whose large houses have since been split up and multi-occupied; the student and Muslim vote in these areas has grown massively.
    For the culturally interested, ‘Rusholme Ruffians’ by the Smiths gives a snapshot of Manchester Gorton in the late sixties and early seventies; a once-grand area on the slide.
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    For reasons which escape me, TSE omits to mention the name of the Conservative candidate who nearly took the seat.......Winston Churchill.....

    An innocent oversight, no doubt....

    Edit - apologies -,missed the table on vanilla - but perhaps the name of the candidate had more to do with his success than the pro-EU views of the Tory leader?
    Ergo we can infer the boost was down to Heath's Pro-EC views.
    Or the state of the country?

    Did either candidate campaign on a pro-EEC platform?
    Both I believe.
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    Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    RobD said:

    Lighting the blue touch paper.....

    The Government now realises the hardline stance went too far by bolstering the confidence of Brexit supporters with the “intention of creating chaos”, they say.

    In private, British officials are ready to discuss the UK remaining in the EU’s customs union as part of a transitional arrangement, one told the BBC.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-news-theresa-may-leave-eu-threat-no-deal-diplomats-uk-prime-minister-economic-damage-a7653296.html

    Quoting EU diplomats. Salt on standby....
    We will know soon enough.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,967

    RobD said:

    Lighting the blue touch paper.....

    The Government now realises the hardline stance went too far by bolstering the confidence of Brexit supporters with the “intention of creating chaos”, they say.

    In private, British officials are ready to discuss the UK remaining in the EU’s customs union as part of a transitional arrangement, one told the BBC.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-news-theresa-may-leave-eu-threat-no-deal-diplomats-uk-prime-minister-economic-damage-a7653296.html

    Quoting EU diplomats. Salt on standby....
    We will know soon enough.
    I do find it hard to imagine that we'd stay in the customs union though.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,926
    Sean_F said:

    Manchester Gorton (like most of Manchester City) was very different then. It had a much bigger Conservative-supporting middle class.

    Those massive victorian terraces can pack in alot of people.
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,081

    Lighting the blue touch paper.....

    The Government now realises the hardline stance went too far by bolstering the confidence of Brexit supporters with the “intention of creating chaos”, they say.

    In private, British officials are ready to discuss the UK remaining in the EU’s customs union as part of a transitional arrangement, one told the BBC.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-news-theresa-may-leave-eu-threat-no-deal-diplomats-uk-prime-minister-economic-damage-a7653296.html

    Betrayal!

    In the unlikely event that there is a coherent Brexit strategy, and this is it, it'd be entertaining seeing all the reverse ferreting Tessyphiles informing everyone this was what was intended all along.

    In any case, the guard dogs will be keeping Tessy right.

    https://twitter.com/paulnuttallukip/status/846644866570489856
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,060
    RobD said:

    Lighting the blue touch paper.....

    The Government now realises the hardline stance went too far by bolstering the confidence of Brexit supporters with the “intention of creating chaos”, they say.

    In private, British officials are ready to discuss the UK remaining in the EU’s customs union as part of a transitional arrangement, one told the BBC.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-news-theresa-may-leave-eu-threat-no-deal-diplomats-uk-prime-minister-economic-damage-a7653296.html

    Quoting EU diplomats. Salt on standby....
    This one seems to be a UK diplomat. The 350m figure has been repurposed:

    The number of customs checks on goods would soar from 17m each year to 350m, he pointed out.
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    Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039

    For reasons which escape me, TSE omits to mention the name of the Conservative candidate who nearly took the seat.......Winston Churchill.....

    An innocent oversight, no doubt....

    Edit - apologies -,missed the table on vanilla - but perhaps the name of the candidate had more to do with his success than the pro-EU views of the Tory leader?
    Ergo we can infer the boost was down to Heath's Pro-EC views.
    Or the state of the country?

    Did either candidate campaign on a pro-EEC platform?
    Both I believe.
    Whereas the previous MP represented a pro-USSR platform: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konni_Zilliacus
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