Some of them really are bonkers. What the hell does it matter whether ECJ rules apply for another couple of years, when there's about a zillion really major issues to be addressed?
They are, I'm afraid, plastic patriots with absolutely no interest in what is best for the UK and its people. They want to argue about abstracts and destiny and Agincourt. It's utterly, irredeemably pathetic. If I were a Tory I would want them out of my party forthwith. As it is, I just hold them in total contempt. They will never, ever be satisfied.
What an utterly horrible post. How is name calling helpful? You're better than this.
I think you and Casino should take a break from PB today.
What else to call them, though? It's a two year transition period, caused in no small part by not a single Brexiteer having the slightest clue about how tricky and complex actually leaving the EU would be. It's a transition period both the business and finance communities have said is absolutely essential and it is the EU's to grant or to say no to. That's where we are. May is being pragmatic and actually seems to have persuaded her cabinet to back her (I say that before the Telegraph's Boris to the rescue headlines tomorrow, of course) and these zealots are sulking at best and may actually try to scupper it at worse. What on earth is the matter with them?
This is turning into an utter disaster. We will end up accepting the EU's ultimatum, and pay an absolute fortune in exchange for no influence. The transition will give business time to form an orderly queue to leave the UK, whilst our politicians will accept our colonial status on a permanent basis to avoid a cliff-edge in 2021.
This was always Brexit's destination. We "Remoaners" have said so repeatedly and been lambasted for doing so.
No, you (the ones posturing at least) are lambasted for constantly portraying yourselves as enlightened, noble victims. I'll concede Bregret to some extent, but the pity party is a waste of energy, constant 'feel sorry for us, we're so smart and people didn't listen to us', and it completely undermines remainers who aren't accepting of the result but able to engage and make good points without being self pityers. Remainers and realistic leavers have pointed out problems with the process we are undergoing, and legally and politically I would have no issue with the issue being fought again, if that is what is wanted, but people doing that are trying to convince and persuade, whereas others just want to feel superior and sorry for themselves. Then insist 'No, I just tell the unvarnished truth' while acting as though lack of cuss words means they are incapable of rudeness, at the upper end of obliviousness.
A University of Oxford college banned Christian Union representatives from attending its freshers’ fair over concerns at the “potential for harm to freshers”.
Balliol Christian Union (CU) was told the college’s student body, the JCR, wanted the freshers’ fair to be a “secular space”, according to Oxford’s student newspaper Cherwell.
Eventually the CU was told that a single multi-faith stall would be allowed to display leaflets, though no representatives would be allowed to staff it, according to leaked emails seen by the paper. Balliol CU boycotted this option.
The South of France is buzzing like I've never seen in October before. The Americans are flooding in (excuse the pun) and it's difficult to find a good restaurant at week-ends which isn't booked.
In Villefranche they were shooting two reasonably large films (one Johnny English was partly UK financed) but they were moving on to shoot the the studio scenes in Prague and Budapest.
As I said earlier my passport was checked 3 times at Nice airport each time with a significant queue and for the first time the Schengen queue was separate from those with British passports.
I am getting the feeling we're being cast adrift from our soon to be ex EU partners and it's not a joke. I can't see any reason why they should be accommodating particularly as they seem to be thriving. I think we have every reason to be very worried indeed and those arrogant souls who believe they need us more than we need them should think again..
Some of them really are bonkers. What the hell does it matter whether ECJ rules apply for another couple of years, when there's about a zillion really major issues to be addressed?
They are, I'm afraid, plastic patriots with absolutely no interest in what is best for the UK and its people. They want to argue about abstracts and destiny and Agincourt. It's utterly, irredeemably pathetic. If I were a Tory I would want them out of my party forthwith. As it is, I just hold them in total contempt. They will never, ever be satisfied.
What an utterly horrible post. How is name calling helpful? You're better than this.
I think you and Casino should take a break from PB today.
What else to call them, though? It's a two year transition period, caused in no small part by not a single Brexiteer having the slightest clue about how tricky and complex actually leaving the EU would be. It's a transition period both the business and finance communities have said is absolutely essential and it is the EU's to grant or to say no to. That's where we are. May is being pragmatic and actually seems to have persuaded her cabinet to back her (I say that before the Telegraph's Boris to the rescue headlines tomorrow, of course) and these zealots are sulking at best and may actually try to scupper it at worse. What on earth is the matter with them?
I don't know; people of goodwill with whom you have almost total disagreement?
Brexiteers would be less zealous if they didn't have the Establishment trying to thwart Brexit at every possible opportunity. We also generally didn't vote Brexit for economic reasons, so endlessly repeating the prophecies of doom of the City and their friends is not going to change our minds. I would think a supporter of the Labour Party could understand that.
Some of them really are bonkers. What the hell does it matter whether ECJ rules apply for another couple of years, when there's about a zillion really major issues to be addressed?
They are, I'm afraid, plastic patriots with absolutely no interest in what is best for the UK and its people. They want to argue about abstracts and destiny and Agincourt. It's utterly, irredeemably pathetic. If I were a Tory I would want them out of my party forthwith. As it is, I just hold them in total contempt. They will never, ever be satisfied.
What an utterly horrible post. How is name calling helpful? You're better than this.
I think you and Casino should take a break from PB today.
What else to call them, though? It's a two year transition period, caused in no small part by not a single Brexiteer having the slightest clue about how tricky and complex actually leaving the EU would be. It's a transition period both the business and finance communities have said is absolutely essential and it is the EU's to grant or to say no to. That's where we are. May is being pragmatic and actually seems to have persuaded her cabinet to back her (I say that before the Telegraph's Boris to the rescue headlines tomorrow, of course) and these zealots are sulking at best and may actually try to scupper it at worse. What on earth is the matter with them?
I don't know; people of goodwill with whom you have almost total disagreement?
Brexiteers would be less zealous if they didn't have the Establishment trying to thwart Brexit at every possible opportunity. We also generally didn't vote Brexit for economic reasons, so endlessly repeating the prophecies of doom of the City and their friends is not going to change our minds. I would think a supporter of the Labour Party could understand that.
Establishment??
How exactly do you categorise the upper echelons of the Conservative Party??
Brexiteers would be less zealous if they didn't have the Establishment trying to thwart Brexit at every possible opportunity.
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"The Establishment" keep telling us that Brexit is the settled will of the people and it is going to happen. The only exceptions are the Lib Dems and SNP - everyone else is "full speed ahead and d*mn the torpedoes"
Some of them really are bonkers. What the hell does it matter whether ECJ rules apply for another couple of years, when there's about a zillion really major issues to be addressed?
They are, I'm afraid, plastic patriots with absolutely no interest in what is best for the UK and its people. They want to argue about abstracts and destiny and Agincourt. It's utterly, irredeemably pathetic. If I were a Tory I would want them out of my party forthwith. As it is, I just hold them in total contempt. They will never, ever be satisfied.
What an utterly horrible post. How is name calling helpful? You're better than this.
I think you and Casino should take a break from PB today.
What else to call them, though? It's a two year transition period, caused in no small part by not a single Brexiteer having the slightest clue about how tricky and complex actually leaving the EU would be. It's a transition period both the business and finance communities have said is absolutely essential and it is the EU's to grant or to say no to. That's where we are. May is being pragmatic and actually seems to have persuaded her cabinet to back her (I say that before the Telegraph's Boris to the rescue headlines tomorrow, of course) and these zealots are sulking at best and may actually try to scupper it at worse. What on earth is the matter with them?
I don't know; people of goodwill with whom you have almost total disagreement?
Brexiteers would be less zealous if they didn't have the Establishment trying to thwart Brexit at every possible opportunity. We also generally didn't vote Brexit for economic reasons, so endlessly repeating the prophecies of doom of the City and their friends is not going to change our minds. I would think a supporter of the Labour Party could understand that.
Problem is, the prophecies of doom look increasingly less like prophecies and more like reportage.
Gove and Boris both leading establishment figures. Farage might talk himself up as a rebel, but again in most respects a creature of the establishment.
Brexiteers would be less zealous if they didn't have the Establishment trying to thwart Brexit at every possible opportunity. We also generally didn't vote Brexit for economic reasons, so endlessly repeating the prophecies of doom of the City and their friends is not going to change our minds.
Many people dedicated the best part of their lives towards bringing about these events, so it's understandable they find it hard to face reality, but it's about time they did.
The sovereignist right has a lot to take responsibility for too, going all the way back to making the Tory party unelectable in the 90s and giving Blair a free run for 10 years. The country has now been brought low because of their inability to understand that our national interest is inextricably tied with having the closest possible collaboration with our neighbours as part of the EU.
This is turning into an utter disaster. We will end up accepting the EU's ultimatum, and pay an absolute fortune in exchange for no influence. The transition will give business time to form an orderly queue to leave the UK, whilst our politicians will accept our colonial status on a permanent basis to avoid a cliff-edge in 2021.
This was always Brexit's destination. We "Remoaners" have said so repeatedly and been lambasted for doing so.
No, you (the ones posturing at least) are lambasted for constantly portraying yourselves as enlightened, noble victims. I'll concede Bregret to some extent, but the pity party is a waste of energy, constant 'feel sorry for us, we're so smart and people didn't listen to us', and it completely undermines remainers who aren't accepting of the result but able to engage and make good points without being self pityers. Remainers and realistic leavers have pointed out problems with the process we are undergoing, and legally and politically I would have no issue with the issue being fought again, if that is what is wanted, but people doing that are trying to convince and persuade, whereas others just want to feel superior and sorry for themselves. Then insist 'No, I just tell the unvarnished truth' while acting as though lack of cuss words means they are incapable of rudeness, at the upper end of obliviousness.
I gave up trying a few weeks after the referendum. These days I content myself poking holes in the various scenarios. I think I probably need to move more money out of the UK but other than that Brexit will not affect me - and more importantly, my family - any more.
I've tried before to ask people to leave brexit alone until we actually have something to discuss. Believe it or not we here have no influence on those making the decisions, i think one thing others differ but it really is a waste of electrons to be arguing so passionatley at this stage. Local by elections and AV are more interesting than two opposing camps slagging each other off.
Great statement by the PM. Yes we will have a transition period but as she rightly says the chances of new EU regulations in that period are very small.
And yes we will mostly have to operate under existing rules during the transition but we WILL be able to negotiate proper free trade deals and business will be able to prepare properly for Brexit.
What matters is the end state and our freedom to do things differently and better - and once again the PM sets out a powerful vision: out of customs union, out of single market, taking back full control.
She has reaffirmed the destination of a self-governing, free-trading, buccaneering and Global Britain taking back control over our laws, money, and borders.
The future is bright. Let’s keep calm and carry on leaving the EU.
Come on chaps; you're all too intelligent to think that a few Tory MPs constitute the establishment. People like a Facebook acquaintance who works for the FCO and constantly posts anti-Brexit material are much more representative.
If the Brexiteers were sufficiently ruthless, people like that would have to seek alternative employment. No CEO would attempt a wholesale strategy change without clearing out a large proportion of his or her executives. The Brexiteers may fail for failing to do the same.
If this sounds radical, it is. Brexit is a 180 degree turn in the UK's stance towards Europe for the last 50 years. A failure to appreciate the importance of having the right people in the right jobs may cause it to fail.
Memo to self: Remember to cut exposure to the UK economy even more sharply than I've done already.
Others with more exposure to cut will be writing themselves the same memo. This is likely to be the period in which we find out just how good the Treasury's much derided forecasts really were.
Memo to self: Remember to cut exposure to the UK economy even more sharply than I've done already.
Others with more exposure to cut will be writing themselves the same memo. This is likely to be the period in which we find out just how good the Treasury's much derided forecasts really were.
I remain very surprised that the effect hasn't so far been all that marked, either in the financial markets or in business investment. There doesn't seem to be much upside in the most optimistic scenarios, and there's a hell of a lot of potential downside in the gloomier ones.
Memo to self: Remember to cut exposure to the UK economy even more sharply than I've done already.
How have you done that? Shares in foreign companies? Anything else?
If you are investing in a global tracker product, the decline of sterling and depressed U.K. share prices will do the work for you. If you're one of those people who think they can beat the market in the long run (good luck!), then you need to be more active.
If you're old enough to be drawing down your assets AND you think the market is not adequately pricing the risk of a catastrophic Brexit, then sell UK-focused firms and buy international ones. I think playing currencies themselves is extremely dangerous for retail investors and would not recommend it.
Memo to self: Remember to cut exposure to the UK economy even more sharply than I've done already.
Others with more exposure to cut will be writing themselves the same memo. This is likely to be the period in which we find out just how good the Treasury's much derided forecasts really were.
I remain very surprised that the effect hasn't so far been all that marked, either in the financial markets or in business investment. There doesn't seem to be much upside in the most optimistic scenarios, and there's a hell of a lot of potential downside in the gloomier ones.
I don't think you can call the devaluation of sterling minor in the context of an improving global economy.
Memo to self: Remember to cut exposure to the UK economy even more sharply than I've done already.
How have you done that? Shares in foreign companies? Anything else?
Yes, mostly that (via funds - I don't think it's worth private investors investing in foreign shares directly, the transaction costs are too high when you take into account the foreign exchange charges, and in some cases getting the foreign tax back is a hassle). You can also buy funds which invest in foreign bonds, and in foreign property. In the UK, I've got some money invested in infrastructure funds but I'm reviewing those because of the McDonnell risk. Shares in international UK-listed companies such as Unilever or Compass should be OK.
If you fancy it, and have sufficient spare dosh lying around, you could buy a foreign property, but it's quite a lot of hassle and not really worth it unless you want to spend a lot of time there.
In your case, you should be in a good position because much of your income is already from abroad. Just make sure you max out on tax-free wrappers (ISAs and pensions, maybe VCTs if you want to get ambitious, but take advice first). They are not totally bullet-proof, but won't be the first port of call for a McDonnell raid. Probably any money already in the wrapper will remain tax free, but it's highly likely (even if we don't get a Labour government) that the allowances will be cut substantially, so people who can should make use of them now.
Remainers should NOT block Brexit, just let it happen, the way it is panning out, we'll be rejoining within a few years.
Not a chance old chap. This is the same delusion shared by Williamglenn. Once we have left, whether on good or bad terms, antipathy towards the EU will only increase and the EU will continue to centralise whilst antagonising many of its members. Both of these are inevitable and mean we will never rejoin the EU.
I've tried before to ask people to leave brexit alone until we actually have something to discuss. Believe it or not we here have no influence on those making the decisions, i think one thing others differ but it really is a waste of electrons to be arguing so passionatley at this stage. Local by elections and AV are more interesting than two opposing camps slagging each other off.
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https://twitter.com/BuzzFeedUKPol/status/917444395888148481
You can undo 40 year plus of laws just like that.
In Villefranche they were shooting two reasonably large films (one Johnny English was partly UK financed) but they were moving on to shoot the the studio scenes in Prague and Budapest.
As I said earlier my passport was checked 3 times at Nice airport each time with a significant queue and for the first time the Schengen queue was separate from those with British passports.
I am getting the feeling we're being cast adrift from our soon to be ex EU partners and it's not a joke. I can't see any reason why they should be accommodating particularly as they seem to be thriving. I think we have every reason to be very worried indeed and those arrogant souls who believe they need us more than we need them should think again..
(I thank you!)
Brexiteers would be less zealous if they didn't have the Establishment trying to thwart Brexit at every possible opportunity. We also generally didn't vote Brexit for economic reasons, so endlessly repeating the prophecies of doom of the City and their friends is not going to change our minds. I would think a supporter of the Labour Party could understand that.
How exactly do you categorise the upper echelons of the Conservative Party??
https://www.newcriterion.com/issues/2017/10/christie-davies-19412017-8989
"The Establishment" keep telling us that Brexit is the settled will of the people and it is going to happen. The only exceptions are the Lib Dems and SNP - everyone else is "full speed ahead and d*mn the torpedoes"
The sovereignist right has a lot to take responsibility for too, going all the way back to making the Tory party unelectable in the 90s and giving Blair a free run for 10 years. The country has now been brought low because of their inability to understand that our national interest is inextricably tied with having the closest possible collaboration with our neighbours as part of the EU.
Great statement by the PM. Yes we will have a transition period but as she rightly says the chances of new EU regulations in that period are very small.
And yes we will mostly have to operate under existing rules during the transition but we WILL be able to negotiate proper free trade deals and business will be able to prepare properly for Brexit.
What matters is the end state and our freedom to do things differently and better - and once again the PM sets out a powerful vision: out of customs union, out of single market, taking back full control.
She has reaffirmed the destination of a self-governing, free-trading, buccaneering and Global Britain taking back control over our laws, money, and borders.
The future is bright. Let’s keep calm and carry on leaving the EU.
If the Brexiteers were sufficiently ruthless, people like that would have to seek alternative employment. No CEO would attempt a wholesale strategy change without clearing out a large proportion of his or her executives. The Brexiteers may fail for failing to do the same.
If this sounds radical, it is. Brexit is a 180 degree turn in the UK's stance towards Europe for the last 50 years. A failure to appreciate the importance of having the right people in the right jobs may cause it to fail.
If you're old enough to be drawing down your assets AND you think the market is not adequately pricing the risk of a catastrophic Brexit, then sell UK-focused firms and buy international ones. I think playing currencies themselves is extremely dangerous for retail investors and would not recommend it.
NB I am not a financial advisor!
If you fancy it, and have sufficient spare dosh lying around, you could buy a foreign property, but it's quite a lot of hassle and not really worth it unless you want to spend a lot of time there.
In your case, you should be in a good position because much of your income is already from abroad. Just make sure you max out on tax-free wrappers (ISAs and pensions, maybe VCTs if you want to get ambitious, but take advice first). They are not totally bullet-proof, but won't be the first port of call for a McDonnell raid. Probably any money already in the wrapper will remain tax free, but it's highly likely (even if we don't get a Labour government) that the allowances will be cut substantially, so people who can should make use of them now.
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