Cable has now effectively set the LDs against Brexit and firmly for a second EU referendum, in his speech saying he originally thought they had to respect the Leave vote but that the overwhelming youth vote for Remain and elderly vote for Leave changed his mind.
He also set the LDs against leaving the Customs Union which he said would mean leaving European friends for the 'warmonger in Washington' and the 'bully in Beijing'
I made my view of Cable's speech clear last evening but needless to say the usual suspects have continued to put the boot in this morning which is all part of the political knockabout.
Being politically expedient, there's no point abandoning all those aged 65+ to the Conservatives and fighting with Labour for the 18-30 vote. The Conservatives will inevitably (as they did with their social care proposals in the GE campaign) alienate the older vote again and when they do there has to be an alternative for older voters.
Remaining in the Single Market while outside the EU political structures is an option but for those of us concerned about immigration unacceptable. The CU offers some options on Freedom of Movement and I'm leaning toward that only because I'm sceptical of this Government's ability to obtain trade deals better than currently available within the EU.
The only redeeming feature (unless you accept the notion all publicity is good publicity and neither Conservative nor Labour have suffered from their negative reports over the past months) is Cable won't be leading the party into the next GE and this has probably brought forward his "retirement" and the forthcoming (hopefully) leadership contest between (hopefully) Jo Swinson and Layla Moran (hopefully).
Cable does not sound like a man stepping down anytime soon
Won't too long before The Standard becomes the UK's most read newspaper.
George Osborne has dropped "London" from the title of the Evening Standard in a signal of the paper’s ambition to have greater national and international influence.
The name change is part of a comprehensive redesign of the paper that the former chancellor of the exchequer hopes will "turn up the volume on the Evening Standard", which he began editing only 10 months ago.
It is the Standard’s first redesign in a decade and will see the paper’s business pages turned pink to make them more distinctive, and enhanced entertainment coverage that includes an "A List" column on celebrity gossip and a rebranding of the famous "Londoner’s Diary" to "The Londoner".
Will it be distributed nationally or do we have to still go into London to pick up a copy? (Since I retired, I seem not to be having to go to the Smoke every week, thankfully. )
Won't too long before The Standard becomes the UK's most read newspaper.
George Osborne has dropped "London" from the title of the Evening Standard in a signal of the paper’s ambition to have greater national and international influence.
The name change is part of a comprehensive redesign of the paper that the former chancellor of the exchequer hopes will "turn up the volume on the Evening Standard", which he began editing only 10 months ago.
It is the Standard’s first redesign in a decade and will see the paper’s business pages turned pink to make them more distinctive, and enhanced entertainment coverage that includes an "A List" column on celebrity gossip and a rebranding of the famous "Londoner’s Diary" to "The Londoner".
In the Liverpool Echo, Carragher claimed to be a "Bootle Red."
Gerrard's a Huyton Red, although he used to live in Formby before he went off to America..
Carragher's always been open about himself being a boyhood Blue, he used to wear his Everton shirt under his Liverpool kit when he was playing for LFC kids, Ronnie Moran absolutely went mental.
He stopped being a Blue after the abuse and lies Evertonians used to aim at Robbie Fowler.
Liverpool has a long and distinguished line of boyhood Evertonians becoming Liverpool legends.
Rush, Fowler, McManaman, Carragher, and Owen to name but a few, they see the light, less go the other way, and can you blame them.
Won't too long before The Standard becomes the UK's most read newspaper.
George Osborne has dropped "London" from the title of the Evening Standard in a signal of the paper’s ambition to have greater national and international influence.
The name change is part of a comprehensive redesign of the paper that the former chancellor of the exchequer hopes will "turn up the volume on the Evening Standard", which he began editing only 10 months ago.
It is the Standard’s first redesign in a decade and will see the paper’s business pages turned pink to make them more distinctive, and enhanced entertainment coverage that includes an "A List" column on celebrity gossip and a rebranding of the famous "Londoner’s Diary" to "The Londoner".
the “industrious accountant” style of Leveson was trumped by Dodd, the popular comedian:
When it came to cross-examining Dodd … the Liverpool comedian ran rings round the Liverpool barrister, rebutting serious allegations with a mixture of sincere outrage and quick one-liners. In response, Leveson manifestly lacked humour. To borrow Ed Miliband’s phrase: he didn’t get it [I’m not actually sure if Ed Milliband can actually take the credit for coining that phrase].
More importantly, he lacked the common touch. As the late Sir Ronald Waterhouse, the presiding judge in the Dodd trial, told me in interview: “He lost the mood of the case, and he certainly lost the jury”. When Dodd was acquitted on all charges, much praise was heaped on my father’s courtroom performance. Little was said about Leveson, except that he was stunned by his failure to achieve a conviction.
Won't too long before The Standard becomes the UK's most read newspaper.
George Osborne has dropped "London" from the title of the Evening Standard in a signal of the paper’s ambition to have greater national and international influence.
The name change is part of a comprehensive redesign of the paper that the former chancellor of the exchequer hopes will "turn up the volume on the Evening Standard", which he began editing only 10 months ago.
It is the Standard’s first redesign in a decade and will see the paper’s business pages turned pink to make them more distinctive, and enhanced entertainment coverage that includes an "A List" column on celebrity gossip and a rebranding of the famous "Londoner’s Diary" to "The Londoner".
The Standard is like the Daily Mail without all the anti-immigrant, anti-benefit scrounger, anti-single mother bile. But it’s always had a weird obsession with C-List West London celebs which I don’t really get.
Won't too long before The Standard becomes the UK's most read newspaper.
George Osborne has dropped "London" from the title of the Evening Standard in a signal of the paper’s ambition to have greater national and international influence.
The name change is part of a comprehensive redesign of the paper that the former chancellor of the exchequer hopes will "turn up the volume on the Evening Standard", which he began editing only 10 months ago.
It is the Standard’s first redesign in a decade and will see the paper’s business pages turned pink to make them more distinctive, and enhanced entertainment coverage that includes an "A List" column on celebrity gossip and a rebranding of the famous "Londoner’s Diary" to "The Londoner".
Vince cable just spent his entire 5 mins on R5 explaining that he doesn’t really despise all of the 17.4M Ho voted leave and not all of them are racist.
A triumphant weekend in getting the LD revival back off track.
Cable has now effectively set the LDs against Brexit and firmly for a second EU referendum, in his speech saying he originally thought they had to respect the Leave vote but that the overwhelming youth vote for Remain and elderly vote for Leave changed his mind.
He also set the LDs against leaving the Customs Union which he said would mean leaving European friends for the 'warmonger in Washington' and the 'bully in Beijing'
Cable has set the LDs against half of Britain nevermind Brexit.
The LDs have been outgunned on virtue signalling, handwringing and identity politics by the Corbynites - they are flapping around for a reason to exist. Cable choosing to take on Corbyn on who despises Britain the most is - well - brave.
If the reports are correct that its US-Bangla then its a DH-8 - so not quite the 'jet' of some reports...
That’s about half a dozen planes down in as many weeks. Not good.
2017 was a weird statistical anomoly too though: not one person died in an accident on a commercial passenger jet the entire year, the safest year ever.
Several prominent Tory Brexiteers — one of them a household name — have told me they would indeed agree to ongoing financial contributions of even around £5billion a year if that breaks the logjam.
“It’s well worth it in terms of how much it will benefit the economy,” said the household name Brexiteer. “And we’ll get it back in increased Treasury revenue anyway.”
You missed out the bit about Boris!!
Interesting the prominent Brexiteer states that better access to the SM means higher Treasury revenue. Obviouly, therefore, reduced SM access means less.
Not only that, the logic of this leading Brexiter is that tax receipts deriving from increased trade generated by decent access to the single market will outweigh any fees we might pay.
Won't too long before The Standard becomes the UK's most read newspaper.
George Osborne has dropped "London" from the title of the Evening Standard in a signal of the paper’s ambition to have greater national and international influence.
The name change is part of a comprehensive redesign of the paper that the former chancellor of the exchequer hopes will "turn up the volume on the Evening Standard", which he began editing only 10 months ago.
It is the Standard’s first redesign in a decade and will see the paper’s business pages turned pink to make them more distinctive, and enhanced entertainment coverage that includes an "A List" column on celebrity gossip and a rebranding of the famous "Londoner’s Diary" to "The Londoner".
Regional newspaper editor aims to go national. Not quite being Prime Minister, is it?
What a pity.
It does not look like it us actually going national, just trying to have more National influence, even the diary is simply changing from 'Londoners Diary' to 'the Londoner.'
He is aiming to build a platform for a future London Mayoral run in my view, his PM dream probably died with the Leave vote and Cameron's departure
Vince cable just spent his entire 5 mins on R5 explaining that he doesn’t really despise all of the 17.4M Ho voted leave and not all of them are racist.
A triumphant weekend in getting the LD revival back off track.
Cable has now effectively set the LDs against Brexit and firmly for a second EU referendum, in his speech saying he originally thought they had to respect the Leave vote but that the overwhelming youth vote for Remain and elderly vote for Leave changed his mind.
He also set the LDs against leaving the Customs Union which he said would mean leaving European friends for the 'warmonger in Washington' and the 'bully in Beijing'
Cable has set the LDs against half of Britain nevermind Brexit.
The LDs have been outgunned on virtue signalling, handwringing and identity politics by the Corbynites - they are flapping around for a reason to exist. Cable choosing to take on Corbyn on who despises Britain the most is - well - brave.
Corbyn at least remains committed to respecting the Leave vote
Won't too long before The Standard becomes the UK's most read newspaper.
George Osborne has dropped "London" from the title of the Evening Standard in a signal of the paper’s ambition to have greater national and international influence.
The name change is part of a comprehensive redesign of the paper that the former chancellor of the exchequer hopes will "turn up the volume on the Evening Standard", which he began editing only 10 months ago.
It is the Standard’s first redesign in a decade and will see the paper’s business pages turned pink to make them more distinctive, and enhanced entertainment coverage that includes an "A List" column on celebrity gossip and a rebranding of the famous "Londoner’s Diary" to "The Londoner".
Regional newspaper editor aims to go national. Not quite being Prime Minister, is it?
What a pity.
It does not look like it us actually going national, just trying to have more National influence, even the diary is simply changing from 'Londoners Diary' to 'the Londoner.'
He is aiming to build a platform for a future London Mayoral run in my view, his PM dream probably died with the Leave vote and Cameron's departure
I’m not sure. It feels like he’s genuinely enjoying himself. Plus, Khan looks unbeatable for a second term (even though he’s pretty hopeless).
Won't too long before The Standard becomes the UK's most read newspaper.
George Osborne has dropped "London" from the title of the Evening Standard in a signal of the paper’s ambition to have greater national and international influence.
The name change is part of a comprehensive redesign of the paper that the former chancellor of the exchequer hopes will "turn up the volume on the Evening Standard", which he began editing only 10 months ago.
It is the Standard’s first redesign in a decade and will see the paper’s business pages turned pink to make them more distinctive, and enhanced entertainment coverage that includes an "A List" column on celebrity gossip and a rebranding of the famous "Londoner’s Diary" to "The Londoner".
Regional newspaper editor aims to go national. Not quite being Prime Minister, is it?
What a pity.
He's still a young man.
Problem for GO following in this Gove route is that Gove did the journalism - not just direct the front page and the cartoonist to attack his political rivals.
Won't too long before The Standard becomes the UK's most read newspaper.
George Osborne has dropped "London" from the title of the Evening Standard in a signal of the paper’s ambition to have greater national and international influence.
The name change is part of a comprehensive redesign of the paper that the former chancellor of the exchequer hopes will "turn up the volume on the Evening Standard", which he began editing only 10 months ago.
It is the Standard’s first redesign in a decade and will see the paper’s business pages turned pink to make them more distinctive, and enhanced entertainment coverage that includes an "A List" column on celebrity gossip and a rebranding of the famous "Londoner’s Diary" to "The Londoner".
Won't too long before The Standard becomes the UK's most read newspaper.
George Osborne has dropped "London" from the title of the Evening Standard in a signal of the paper’s ambition to have greater national and international influence.
The name change is part of a comprehensive redesign of the paper that the former chancellor of the exchequer hopes will "turn up the volume on the Evening Standard", which he began editing only 10 months ago.
It is the Standard’s first redesign in a decade and will see the paper’s business pages turned pink to make them more distinctive, and enhanced entertainment coverage that includes an "A List" column on celebrity gossip and a rebranding of the famous "Londoner’s Diary" to "The Londoner".
Regional newspaper editor aims to go national. Not quite being Prime Minister, is it?
What a pity.
It does not look like it us actually going national, just trying to have more National influence, even the diary is simply changing from 'Londoners Diary' to 'the Londoner.'
He is aiming to build a platform for a future London Mayoral run in my view, his PM dream probably died with the Leave vote and Cameron's departure
I’m not sure. It feels like he’s genuinely enjoying himself. Plus, Khan looks unbeatable for a second term (even though he’s pretty hopeless).
In 2020 maybe (unless say Sugar runs) but 2024 may be more open
Won't too long before The Standard becomes the UK's most read newspaper.
George Osborne has dropped "London" from the title of the Evening Standard in a signal of the paper’s ambition to have greater national and international influence.
The name change is part of a comprehensive redesign of the paper that the former chancellor of the exchequer hopes will "turn up the volume on the Evening Standard", which he began editing only 10 months ago.
It is the Standard’s first redesign in a decade and will see the paper’s business pages turned pink to make them more distinctive, and enhanced entertainment coverage that includes an "A List" column on celebrity gossip and a rebranding of the famous "Londoner’s Diary" to "The Londoner".
Regional newspaper editor aims to go national. Not quite being Prime Minister, is it?
What a pity.
It does not look like it us actually going national, just trying to have more National influence, even the diary is simply changing from 'Londoners Diary' to 'the Londoner.'
He is aiming to build a platform for a future London Mayoral run in my view, his PM dream probably died with the Leave vote and Cameron's departure
As tipped and backed by me a few weeks ago - 40/1 at the time.
Well hopefully the lad should know who he supported, but there was a story in the Echo where he'd paid for some Liverpool fan stranded after a European match to get home. He shrugged it off with the comment "It was one Bootle Red supporting another."
Either poetic licence (as a Liverpool player) or a sub-editor possibly? Certainly Wiki says he's an Everton fan born in Bootle.
Edit, Thanks, Mr Eagles. I've lived here twenty odd years but I'll never be a Scouser. I still get asked where I'm really from. I never realised it was a racist question until I read about it in the Guardian last year.
Vince cable just spent his entire 5 mins on R5 explaining that he doesn’t really despise all of the 17.4M Ho voted leave and not all of them are racist.
A triumphant weekend in getting the LD revival back off track.
Cable has now effectively set the LDs against Brexit and firmly for a second EU referendum, in his speech saying he originally thought they had to respect the Leave vote but that the overwhelming youth vote for Remain and elderly vote for Leave changed his mind.
He also set the LDs against leaving the Customs Union which he said would mean leaving European friends for the 'warmonger in Washington' and the 'bully in Beijing'
Cable has set the LDs against half of Britain nevermind Brexit.
The LDs have been outgunned on virtue signalling, handwringing and identity politics by the Corbynites - they are flapping around for a reason to exist. Cable choosing to take on Corbyn on who despises Britain the most is - well - brave.
Cable is a bed blocker. We need radical centrism, and the Brexit wars need a much more intelligent approach.
The problem is, do the LDs really have so many other options? People are talking up Layla Moran but her main contribution so far has been defending the right of boys to wear dresses?
Cable has now effectively set the LDs against Brexit and firmly for a second EU referendum, in his speech saying he originally thought they had to respect the Leave vote but that the overwhelming youth vote for Remain and elderly vote for Leave changed his mind.
He also set the LDs against leaving the Customs Union which he said would mean leaving European friends for the 'warmonger in Washington' and the 'bully in Beijing'
I made my view of Cable's speech clear last evening but needless to say the usual suspects have continued to put the boot in this morning which is all part of the political knockabout.
Being politically expedient, there's no point abandoning all those aged 65+ to the Conservatives and fighting with Labour for the 18-30 vote. The Conservatives will inevitably (as they did with their social care proposals in the GE campaign) alienate the older vote again and when they do there has to be an alternative for older voters.
Remaining in the Single Market while outside the EU political structures is an option but for those of us concerned about immigration unacceptable. The CU offers some options on Freedom of Movement and I'm leaning toward that only because I'm sceptical of this Government's ability to obtain trade deals better than currently available within the EU.
The only redeeming feature (unless you accept the notion all publicity is good publicity and neither Conservative nor Labour have suffered from their negative reports over the past months) is Cable won't be leading the party into the next GE and this has probably brought forward his "retirement" and the forthcoming (hopefully) leadership contest between (hopefully) Jo Swinson and Layla Moran (hopefully).
I'm not sure pointing out that Vince Cable is irredeemably rubbish is your opponents "putting the boot in". It could just as easily be said to be objective fair comment....
If the reports are correct that its US-Bangla then its a DH-8 - so not quite the 'jet' of some reports...
That’s about half a dozen planes down in as many weeks. Not good.
2017 was a weird statistical anomoly too though: not one person died in an accident on a commercial passenger jet the entire year, the safest year ever.
Yep, an amazing record but as you say a statistical anomaly. Massive strides made in safety none the less, most of the recent accidents have been in non-western environments with all that entails for procedures and maintainance.
Won't too long before The Standard becomes the UK's most read newspaper.
George Osborne has dropped "London" from the title of the Evening Standard in a signal of the paper’s ambition to have greater national and international influence.
The name change is part of a comprehensive redesign of the paper that the former chancellor of the exchequer hopes will "turn up the volume on the Evening Standard", which he began editing only 10 months ago.
It is the Standard’s first redesign in a decade and will see the paper’s business pages turned pink to make them more distinctive, and enhanced entertainment coverage that includes an "A List" column on celebrity gossip and a rebranding of the famous "Londoner’s Diary" to "The Londoner".
Regional newspaper editor aims to go national. Not quite being Prime Minister, is it?
What a pity.
He's still a young man.
Problem for GO following in this Gove route is that Gove did the journalism - not just direct the front page and the cartoonist to attack his political rivals.
The reason I'm tempted to vote for Gove as next Tory leader is that I'm fairly certain he'd bring back George Osborne into government.
Apart from Brexit, ideologically there's no difference policy between the Govester and George.
Won't too long before The Standard becomes the UK's most read newspaper.
George Osborne has dropped "London" from the title of the Evening Standard in a signal of the paper’s ambition to have greater national and international influence.
The name change is part of a comprehensive redesign of the paper that the former chancellor of the exchequer hopes will "turn up the volume on the Evening Standard", which he began editing only 10 months ago.
It is the Standard’s first redesign in a decade and will see the paper’s business pages turned pink to make them more distinctive, and enhanced entertainment coverage that includes an "A List" column on celebrity gossip and a rebranding of the famous "Londoner’s Diary" to "The Londoner".
The Standard is like the Daily Mail without all the anti-immigrant, anti-benefit scrounger, anti-single mother bile. But it’s always had a weird obsession with C-List West London celebs which I don’t really get.
"...without all the anti-immigrant, anti-benefit scrounger, anti-single mother bile."
So not much like the DM at all then, since those are its defining qualities.
Won't too long before The Standard becomes the UK's most read newspaper.
George Osborne has dropped "London" from the title of the Evening Standard in a signal of the paper’s ambition to have greater national and international influence.
The name change is part of a comprehensive redesign of the paper that the former chancellor of the exchequer hopes will "turn up the volume on the Evening Standard", which he began editing only 10 months ago.
It is the Standard’s first redesign in a decade and will see the paper’s business pages turned pink to make them more distinctive, and enhanced entertainment coverage that includes an "A List" column on celebrity gossip and a rebranding of the famous "Londoner’s Diary" to "The Londoner".
Regional newspaper editor aims to go national. Not quite being Prime Minister, is it?
What a pity.
It does not look like it us actually going national, just trying to have more National influence, even the diary is simply changing from 'Londoners Diary' to 'the Londoner.'
He is aiming to build a platform for a future London Mayoral run in my view, his PM dream probably died with the Leave vote and Cameron's departure
As tipped and backed by me a few weeks ago - 40/1 at the time.
Osborne will get demolished by any halfway competent Labour offering in 2024, and Khan is nailed on for a second term I think
Won't too long before The Standard becomes the UK's most read newspaper.
George Osborne has dropped "London" from the title of the Evening Standard in a signal of the paper’s ambition to have greater national and international influence.
The name change is part of a comprehensive redesign of the paper that the former chancellor of the exchequer hopes will "turn up the volume on the Evening Standard", which he began editing only 10 months ago.
It is the Standard’s first redesign in a decade and will see the paper’s business pages turned pink to make them more distinctive, and enhanced entertainment coverage that includes an "A List" column on celebrity gossip and a rebranding of the famous "Londoner’s Diary" to "The Londoner".
Regional newspaper editor aims to go national. Not quite being Prime Minister, is it?
What a pity.
It does not look like it us actually going national, just trying to have more National influence, even the diary is simply changing from 'Londoners Diary' to 'the Londoner.'
He is aiming to build a platform for a future London Mayoral run in my view, his PM dream probably died with the Leave vote and Cameron's departure
As tipped and backed by me a few weeks ago - 40/1 at the time.
Osborne will get demolished by any halfway competent Labour offering in 2024, and Khan is nailed on for a second term I think
Though the pattern of the last few Mayoral elections is two terms of a Labour Mayor, two terms of a Tory Mayor and now a Labour Mayor again. Plus if Corbyn was PM in 2024 the Tory candidate could benefit from a mid term protest vote
Won't too long before The Standard becomes the UK's most read newspaper.
George Osborne has dropped "London" from the title of the Evening Standard in a signal of the paper’s ambition to have greater national and international influence.
The name change is part of a comprehensive redesign of the paper that the former chancellor of the exchequer hopes will "turn up the volume on the Evening Standard", which he began editing only 10 months ago.
It is the Standard’s first redesign in a decade and will see the paper’s business pages turned pink to make them more distinctive, and enhanced entertainment coverage that includes an "A List" column on celebrity gossip and a rebranding of the famous "Londoner’s Diary" to "The Londoner".
"Remaining in the Single Market while outside the EU political structures is an option but for those of us concerned about immigration unacceptable."
Is it really an option? In what parallel universe could the EU allow us to stay in the Single Market without taking on the other responsibilities. It would be political suicide for them even if they wanted it.
OT. Why has it taken over a year for a senior politician to raise his head above the parapet and speak out?
The 'Leave' campaign was based around a single overtly racist broadcast repeated ad nauseam. It had the undertones of a Nazi propaganda film of the 30's and in terms of accepted media spend it was a multi million pound campaign which also appeared on news channels throughout Europe. Following 'Leave's' victory and the supine nature of politicians to their constituents any reference to it became impossible.
This has caused a simmering resentment with no outlet. The 48%- particularly the well travelled young- are very angry at being tarred with the same brush as their elders who were not -as often suggested- deluded by the 'Leave' campaign but seduced by it.
The reputational damage to this country is immense and it's not about economics. It's about time someone spoke out
Several prominent Tory Brexiteers — one of them a household name — have told me they would indeed agree to ongoing financial contributions of even around £5billion a year if that breaks the logjam.
“It’s well worth it in terms of how much it will benefit the economy,” said the household name Brexiteer. “And we’ll get it back in increased Treasury revenue anyway.”
Well, since the EUref, I've had to reset my internal measure of 'looniness'. There's yer common or garden British nutters and then the truly Galactic chem-trail flat-earther EU-delenda-est lot.
The Ultras will hate anything, even if May came back with a cake, an eaten cake and Juncker and Barnier's heads on spikes, they'd whine about it.
In terms of Uncle Vince, the only explanation I can think of is that the leaders of our political parties got pissed last Christmas and decided to wager on who was worse at everyday politics. I thought JC had it by a short head, but credit to Cable for coming through on the rails.
Won't too long before The Standard becomes the UK's most read newspaper.
George Osborne has dropped "London" from the title of the Evening Standard in a signal of the paper’s ambition to have greater national and international influence.
The name change is part of a comprehensive redesign of the paper that the former chancellor of the exchequer hopes will "turn up the volume on the Evening Standard", which he began editing only 10 months ago.
It is the Standard’s first redesign in a decade and will see the paper’s business pages turned pink to make them more distinctive, and enhanced entertainment coverage that includes an "A List" column on celebrity gossip and a rebranding of the famous "Londoner’s Diary" to "The Londoner".
Regional newspaper editor aims to go national. Not quite being Prime Minister, is it?
What a pity.
He's still a young man.
Problem for GO following in this Gove route is that Gove did the journalism - not just direct the front page and the cartoonist to attack his political rivals.
The reason I'm tempted to vote for Gove as next Tory leader is that I'm fairly certain he'd bring back George Osborne into government.
Apart from Brexit, ideologically there's no difference policy between the Govester and George.
Except that Gove is a nice guy, a loyal Conservative Parliamentarian and minister, commands the respect of others in his party - and is an experienced journalist.
Won't too long before The Standard becomes the UK's most read newspaper.
George Osborne has dropped "London" from the title of the Evening Standard in a signal of the paper’s ambition to have greater national and international influence.
The name change is part of a comprehensive redesign of the paper that the former chancellor of the exchequer hopes will "turn up the volume on the Evening Standard", which he began editing only 10 months ago.
It is the Standard’s first redesign in a decade and will see the paper’s business pages turned pink to make them more distinctive, and enhanced entertainment coverage that includes an "A List" column on celebrity gossip and a rebranding of the famous "Londoner’s Diary" to "The Londoner".
Regional newspaper editor aims to go national. Not quite being Prime Minister, is it?
What a pity.
He's still a young man.
Problem for GO following in this Gove route is that Gove did the journalism - not just direct the front page and the cartoonist to attack his political rivals.
The reason I'm tempted to vote for Gove as next Tory leader is that I'm fairly certain he'd bring back George Osborne into government.
Apart from Brexit, ideologically there's no difference policy between the Govester and George.
Except that Gove is a nice guy, a loyal Conservative Parliamentarian and minister, commands the respect of others in his party - and is an experienced journalist.
Won't too long before The Standard becomes the UK's most read newspaper.
George Osborne has dropped "London" from the title of the Evening Standard in a signal of the paper’s ambition to have greater national and international influence.
The name change is part of a comprehensive redesign of the paper that the former chancellor of the exchequer hopes will "turn up the volume on the Evening Standard", which he began editing only 10 months ago.
It is the Standard’s first redesign in a decade and will see the paper’s business pages turned pink to make them more distinctive, and enhanced entertainment coverage that includes an "A List" column on celebrity gossip and a rebranding of the famous "Londoner’s Diary" to "The Londoner".
Regional newspaper editor aims to go national. Not quite being Prime Minister, is it?
What a pity.
He's still a young man.
Perhaps GO should take inspiration from a certain WSC, whose political career was clearly finished when he lost his seat in the 1922 election at the age of 47.
OT. Why has it taken over a year for a senior politician to raise his head above the parapet and speak out?
The 'Leave' campaign was based around a single overtly racist broadcast repeated ad nauseam. It had the undertones of a Nazi propaganda film of the 30's and in terms of accepted media spend it was a multi million pound campaign which also appeared on news channels throughout Europe. Following 'Leave's' victory and the supine nature of politicians to their constituents any reference to it became impossible.
This has caused a simmering resentment with no outlet. The 48%- particularly the well travelled young- are very angry at being tarred with the same brush as their elders who were not -as often suggested- deluded by the 'Leave' campaign but seduced by it.
The reputational damage to this country is immense and it's not about economics. It's about time someone spoke out
That's a view Roger - but one probably not one advised to advertise if you want to do better than 7% in the polls.
As well as Kaboom Delta - Moonlight is another new entrant into the political polling - Nick's site is as unpretentious as you'd expect - I particularly liked the about us section
Won't too long before The Standard becomes the UK's most read newspaper.
George Osborne has dropped "London" from the title of the Evening Standard in a signal of the paper’s ambition to have greater national and international influence.
The name change is part of a comprehensive redesign of the paper that the former chancellor of the exchequer hopes will "turn up the volume on the Evening Standard", which he began editing only 10 months ago.
It is the Standard’s first redesign in a decade and will see the paper’s business pages turned pink to make them more distinctive, and enhanced entertainment coverage that includes an "A List" column on celebrity gossip and a rebranding of the famous "Londoner’s Diary" to "The Londoner".
Regional newspaper editor aims to go national. Not quite being Prime Minister, is it?
What a pity.
He's still a young man.
Perhaps GO should take inspiration from a certain WSC, whose political career was clearly finished when he lost his seat in the 1922 election at the age of 47.
Of course, GO is no WSC
I really warmed to Osborne when he gave his first speech after the referendum (Mansion house iirc - which I probably don't!) and assessed his own chances at the leadership. He had a nice line in self-deprecating humour.
His great weakness was for political gimmicks, but the data show that he was an effective and remarkably re-distributive chancellor. I'm sure he's making more money in the private sector, but he's a great loss to politics, particularly when you look at the ocean of mediocrity on both sides of the HoP.
Won't too long before The Standard becomes the UK's most read newspaper.
George Osborne has dropped "London" from the title of the Evening Standard in a signal of the paper’s ambition to have greater national and international influence.
The name change is part of a comprehensive redesign of the paper that the former chancellor of the exchequer hopes will "turn up the volume on the Evening Standard", which he began editing only 10 months ago.
It is the Standard’s first redesign in a decade and will see the paper’s business pages turned pink to make them more distinctive, and enhanced entertainment coverage that includes an "A List" column on celebrity gossip and a rebranding of the famous "Londoner’s Diary" to "The Londoner".
Regional newspaper editor aims to go national. Not quite being Prime Minister, is it?
What a pity.
He's still a young man.
Perhaps GO should take inspiration from a certain WSC, whose political career was clearly finished when he lost his seat in the 1922 election at the age of 47.
Of course, GO is no WSC
I really warmed to Osborne when he gave his first speech after the referendum (Mansion house iirc - which I probably don't!) and assessed his own chances at the leadership. He had a nice line in self-deprecating humour.
His great weakness was for political gimmicks, but the data show that he was an effective and remarkably re-distributive chancellor. I'm sure he's making more money in the private sector, but he's a great loss to politics, particularly when you look at the ocean of mediocrity on both sides of the HoP.
If he has any political ambitions left he needs to re-invent himself a bit (as Churchill did). He needs to appear less aloof, find a common touch. For all his faults, that's one thing Corbyn has.
Ah, my favourite subject: the appalling economic performance of much of Britain outside London and a few bright spots.
It’s good that Yorkshire at least is starting to realise it has a problem. Of course, they have no idea what to do about it.
Interestingly, improving educational/skills performance doesn’t actually seem to help, as the problem is about demand (for skilled labour) rather than supply.
Won't too long before The Standard becomes the UK's most read newspaper.
George Osborne has dropped "London" from the title of the Evening Standard in a signal of the paper’s ambition to have greater national and international influence.
The name change is part of a comprehensive redesign of the paper that the former chancellor of the exchequer hopes will "turn up the volume on the Evening Standard", which he began editing only 10 months ago.
It is the Standard’s first redesign in a decade and will see the paper’s business pages turned pink to make them more distinctive, and enhanced entertainment coverage that includes an "A List" column on celebrity gossip and a rebranding of the famous "Londoner’s Diary" to "The Londoner".
Regional newspaper editor aims to go national. Not quite being Prime Minister, is it?
What a pity.
He's still a young man.
Perhaps GO should take inspiration from a certain WSC, whose political career was clearly finished when he lost his seat in the 1922 election at the age of 47.
Of course, GO is no WSC
I really warmed to Osborne when he gave his first speech after the referendum (Mansion house iirc - which I probably don't!) and assessed his own chances at the leadership. He had a nice line in self-deprecating humour.
His great weakness was for political gimmicks, but the data show that he was an effective and remarkably re-distributive chancellor. I'm sure he's making more money in the private sector, but he's a great loss to politics, particularly when you look at the ocean of mediocrity on both sides of the HoP.
If he has any political ambitions left he needs to re-invent himself a bit (as Churchill did). He needs to appear less aloof, find a common touch. For all his faults, that's one thing Corbyn has.
Another thing he has in common is that Churchillwas widely disliked on his own benches.
Which is arguably GO's greatest fault: if he were more popular within the party, he could be at Defence or somewhere now.
Vince cable just spent his entire 5 mins on R5 explaining that he doesn’t really despise all of the 17.4M Ho voted leave and not all of them are racist.
A triumphant weekend in getting the LD revival back off track.
Cable has now effectively set the LDs against Brexit and firmly for a second EU referendum, in his speech saying he originally thought they had to respect the Leave vote but that the overwhelming youth vote for Remain and elderly vote for Leave changed his mind.
He also set the LDs against leaving the Customs Union which he said would mean leaving European friends for the 'warmonger in Washington' and the 'bully in Beijing'
The problem is most LD targets are in Brexit areas. The Remain vote in the cities is seemingly already wrapped up for Labour (despite Corbyn and McDonnell being life-long Eurosceptics).
Ah, my favourite subject: the appalling economic performance of much of Britain outside London and a few bright spots.
It’s good that Yorkshire at least is starting to realise it has a problem. Of course, they have no idea what to do about it.
Improving educational performance doesn’t actually seem to help, as the problem is about demand (for skilled labour) rather than supply.
The UK has created something of a monster - London. If you're young, intelligent, hard-working and ambitious then it's almost a no-brainer to move closer. Hard to recruit and then retain the best and brightest in the provinces (though not impossible ofc).
The ONS regional GVA stats show that almost every region is now going backwards relative to London, with the SE just about static. Is there another major country that has so much of it's population and wealth creation in its capital city? Can't think of one off the top of my head, but I'm sure the PB brains trust can set me right.
Mr. M, a shame that after his poor treatment from May that Osborne decided to take his bat and ball home.
The difference between Gove and Osborne is that Gove knew how to act like an adult when given the sack, he was a loyal backbencher for a year and worked hard to win back the trust of his party’s leader - who saw his ability and intelligence as worthy of a promotion back to the front bench.
Won't too long before The Standard becomes the UK's most read newspaper.
George Osborne has dropped "London" from the title of the Evening Standard in a signal of the paper’s ambition to have greater national and international influence.
The name change is part of a comprehensive redesign of the paper that the former chancellor of the exchequer hopes will "turn up the volume on the Evening Standard", which he began editing only 10 months ago.
It is the Standard’s first redesign in a decade and will see the paper’s business pages turned pink to make them more distinctive, and enhanced entertainment coverage that includes an "A List" column on celebrity gossip and a rebranding of the famous "Londoner’s Diary" to "The Londoner".
Regional newspaper editor aims to go national. Not quite being Prime Minister, is it?
What a pity.
He's still a young man.
Perhaps GO should take inspiration from a certain WSC, whose political career was clearly finished when he lost his seat in the 1922 election at the age of 47.
Of course, GO is no WSC
I really warmed to Osborne when he gave his first speech after the referendum (Mansion house iirc - which I probably don't!) and assessed his own chances at the leadership. He had a nice line in self-deprecating humour.
His great weakness was for political gimmicks, but the data show that he was an effective and remarkably re-distributive chancellor. I'm sure he's making more money in the private sector, but he's a great loss to politics, particularly when you look at the ocean of mediocrity on both sides of the HoP.
If he has any political ambitions left he needs to re-invent himself a bit (as Churchill did). He needs to appear less aloof, find a common touch. For all his faults, that's one thing Corbyn has.
Another thing he has in common is that Churchillwas widely disliked on his own benches.
Which is arguably GO's greatest fault: if he were more popular within the party, he could be at Defence or somewhere now.
Osborne’s frontline career is over.
I’m a tentative fan, I think strategically he was excellent, but he always had a tendency to be too clever by half - see his various budget gimmicks for details.
He also didn’t rein in Cameron’s complacency enough.
He has no popular support of his own, and he controls no party machine to make up for it. And, I can’t seem him serving another PM - he’s done his dash.
Mr. M, a shame that after his poor treatment from May that Osborne decided to take his bat and ball home.
The difference between Gove and Osborne is that Gove knew how to act like an adult when given the sack, he was a loyal backbencher for a year and worked hard to win back the trust of his party’s leader - who saw his ability and intelligence as worthy of a promotion back to the front bench.
Yes, Osborne was far too driven by ego. Like Gove, his sacking was a test of whether he could put his party first. He couldn't.
Mr. M, a shame that after his poor treatment from May that Osborne decided to take his bat and ball home.
The difference between Gove and Osborne is that Gove knew how to act like an adult when given the sack, he was a loyal backbencher for a year and worked hard to win back the trust of his party’s leader - who saw his ability and intelligence as worthy of a promotion back to the front bench.
Mr. M, a shame that after his poor treatment from May that Osborne decided to take his bat and ball home.
The difference between Gove and Osborne is that Gove knew how to act like an adult when given the sack, he was a loyal backbencher for a year and worked hard to win back the trust of his party’s leader - who saw his ability and intelligence as worthy of a promotion back to the front bench.
Gove, loyal? Would Boris agree?
Gove was loyal to his party and did what was required. Boris decided not to stand, which was entirely his own decision.
Keep laying BJ for next leader, some of my best betting results ever were from laying GO and BJ for next leader and next PM in the aftermath of the 2015 election - when they they were pretty much both evens.
Ah, my favourite subject: the appalling economic performance of much of Britain outside London and a few bright spots.
It’s good that Yorkshire at least is starting to realise it has a problem. Of course, they have no idea what to do about it.
Improving educational performance doesn’t actually seem to help, as the problem is about demand (for skilled labour) rather than supply.
The UK has created something of a monster - London. If you're young, intelligent, hard-working and ambitious then it's almost a no-brainer to move closer. Hard to recruit and then retain the best and brightest in the provinces (though not impossible ofc).
The ONS regional GVA stats show that almost every region is now going backwards relative to London, with the SE just about static. Is there another major country that has so much of it's population and wealth creation in its capital city? Can't think of one off the top of my head, but I'm sure the PB brains trust can set me right.
The U.K. seems to be quite unique in this aspect. I think it has the biggest gap between metropole and regions in the OECD, and as you say the problem is getting worse.*
At a *very* high level, the 20 million people in London and it’s hinterland have great productivity and living standards - among the highest in the West.
The other 45 million are well behind, so far in fact that they are among the *worst* performers in the West. Parts of Eastern Europe are now wealthier and more productive than many parts of the U.K., despite coming from well, well behind in 1989.
The question then is what to do about it? What’s clear is that laissez faire hasn’t worked. Pure neo-classical economics would suggest that Yorkshire et al should be catching up, because much cheaper factor inputs should be attracting businesses to set up shop. Hasn’t happened at all.
Step one though is acknowledging the problem. The London bubble media is not interested, regional issues are hidden by aggregate macro economic data, and the regions themselves lack local political leadership and media to focus attention on the problems.
*Italy has similar issue, but its North v South as opposed to Metropole v rest.
Mr. M, a shame that after his poor treatment from May that Osborne decided to take his bat and ball home.
The difference between Gove and Osborne is that Gove knew how to act like an adult when given the sack, he was a loyal backbencher for a year and worked hard to win back the trust of his party’s leader - who saw his ability and intelligence as worthy of a promotion back to the front bench.
Yes, Osborne was far too driven by ego. Like Gove, his sacking was a test of whether he could put his party first. He couldn't.
I only partially agree. Osborne was, and is, arrogant, but May treated him with contempt and her CoS made sure that the way in which he was sacked leaked. That was daft.
Mr. M, yes, May was vindictive and petty, needlessly so. However, had Osborne remained he may have become PM after her failed election (a Henry IV to her Richard II).
Ah, my favourite subject: the appalling economic performance of much of Britain outside London and a few bright spots.
It’s good that Yorkshire at least is starting to realise it has a problem. Of course, they have no idea what to do about it.
Improving educational performance doesn’t actually seem to help, as the problem is about demand (for skilled labour) rather than supply.
The UK has created something of a monster - London. If you're young, intelligent, hard-working and ambitious then it's almost a no-brainer to move closer. Hard to recruit and then retain the best and brightest in the provinces (though not impossible ofc).
The ONS regional GVA stats show that almost every region is now going backwards relative to London, with the SE just about static. Is there another major country that has so much of it's population and wealth creation in its capital city? Can't think of one off the top of my head, but I'm sure the PB brains trust can set me right.
The U.K. seems to be quite unique in this aspect. I think it has the biggest gap between metropole and regions in the OECD, and as you say the problem is getting worse.*
At a *very* high level, the 20 million people in London and it’s hinterland have great productivity and living standards - among the highest in the West.
The other 45 million are well behind, so far in fact that they are among the *worst* performers in the West. Parts of Eastern Europe are now wealthier and more productive than many parts of the U.K., despite coming from well, well behind in 1989.
The question then is what to do about it? What’s clear is that laissez faire hasn’t worked. Pure neo-classical economics would suggest that Yorkshire et al should be catching up, because much cheaper factor inputs should be attracting businesses to set up shop. Hasn’t happened at all.
Step one though is acknowledging the problem. The London bubble media is not interested, regional issues are hidden by aggregate macro economic data, and the regions themselves lack local political leadership and media to focus attention on the problems.
*Italy has similar issue, but its North v South as opposed to Metropole v rest.
Interesting that it's only 1 hour 28 minutes by train from somewhere like Stoke-on-Trent to London. Just shows how close everywhere is in this country. Some people spend that long commuting from central London to the suburbs.
Ah, my favourite subject: the appalling economic performance of much of Britain outside London and a few bright spots.
It’s good that Yorkshire at least is starting to realise it has a problem. Of course, they have no idea what to do about it.
Improving educational performance doesn’t actually seem to help, as the problem is about demand (for skilled labour) rather than supply.
The UK has created something of a monster - London. If you're young, intelligent, hard-working and ambitious then it's almost a no-brainer to move closer. Hard to recruit and then retain the best and brightest in the provinces (though not impossible ofc).
The ONS regional GVA stats show that almost every region is now going backwards relative to London, with the SE just about static. Is there another major country that has so much of it's population and wealth creation in its capital city? Can't think of one off the top of my head, but I'm sure the PB brains trust can set me right.
The U.K. seems to be quite unique in this aspect. I think it has the biggest gap between metropole and regions in the OECD, and as you say the problem is getting worse.*
At a *very* high level, the 20 million people in London and it’s hinterland have great productivity and living standards - among the highest in the West.
The other 45 million are well behind, so far in fact that they are among the *worst* performers in the West. Parts of Eastern Europe are now wealthier and more productive than many parts of the U.K., despite coming from well, well behind in 1989.
The question then is what to do about it? What’s clear is that laissez faire hasn’t worked. Pure neo-classical economics would suggest that Yorkshire et al should be catching up, because much cheaper factor inputs should be attracting businesses to set up shop. Hasn’t happened at all.
Step one though is acknowledging the problem. The London bubble media is not interested, regional issues are hidden by aggregate macro economic data, and the regions themselves lack local political leadership and media to focus attention on the problems.
*Italy has similar issue, but its North v South as opposed to Metropole v rest.
On the plus side you can buy a nice detached house round here for the price of a 1/2 bed flat in London
I’m a tentative fan, I think strategically he was excellent, but he always had a tendency to be too clever by half - see his various budget gimmicks for details.
He also didn’t rein in Cameron’s complacency enough.
He has no popular support of his own, and he controls no party machine to make up for it. And, I can’t seem him serving another PM - he’s done his dash.
He is definitely a really sharp political mind. And in his 40s so has plenty of time.
But I think the referendum campaign made him something of a pariah to Leaver MPs. They didn't enjoy his tricks when they were on the receiving end.
I can't see how they could be persuaded to forgive. I mean look how irate they are about Philip Hammond being Chancellor...
Vince cable just spent his entire 5 mins on R5 explaining that he doesn’t really despise all of the 17.4M Ho voted leave and not all of them are racist.
A triumphant weekend in getting the LD revival back off track.
Cable has now effectively set the LDs against Brexit and firmly for a second EU referendum, in his speech saying he originally thought they had to respect the Leave vote but that the overwhelming youth vote for Remain and elderly vote for Leave changed his mind.
He also set the LDs against leaving the Customs Union which he said would mean leaving European friends for the 'warmonger in Washington' and the 'bully in Beijing'
The problem is most LD targets are in Brexit areas. The Remain vote in the cities is seemingly already wrapped up for Labour (despite Corbyn and McDonnell being life-long Eurosceptics).
Quite. Thats why the speech was a huge blunder - both strategically (alienating not only the 52% who voted Leave, but getting the backs up of the 85% who accept the result) and tactically (it doesn't actually help them win any votes on the ground, and comes just before a local elections round in which they're defending seats).
Mr. M, a shame that after his poor treatment from May that Osborne decided to take his bat and ball home.
The difference between Gove and Osborne is that Gove knew how to act like an adult when given the sack, he was a loyal backbencher for a year and worked hard to win back the trust of his party’s leader - who saw his ability and intelligence as worthy of a promotion back to the front bench.
The real difference is that Gove is part of a government implementing something he himself campaigned for.
I read a new polling organisation supergroup is borne today from one or 2 ageing rock-star pollsters from ICM and YouGov."Blind Faith",a great name for a polling organisation and much better than Deltapoll.
The Mirror recently reported around 1,000 cases of girls being molested by gangs in Telford. Yet this appears not to have troubled the broadcast media a jot. .... Have I missed something?
Ah, my favourite subject: the appalling economic performance of much of Britain outside London and a few bright spots.
It’s good that Yorkshire at least is starting to realise it has a problem. Of course, they have no idea what to do about it.
Improving educational performance doesn’t actually seem to help, as the problem is about demand (for skilled labour) rather than supply.
The UK has created something of a monster - London. If you're young, intelligent, hard-working and ambitious then it's almost a no-brainer to move closer. Hard to recruit and then retain the best and brightest in the provinces (though not impossible ofc).
The ONS regional GVA stats show that almost every region is now going backwards relative to London, with the SE just about static. Is there another major country that has so much of it's population and wealth creation in its capital city? Can't think of one off the top of my head, but I'm sure the PB brains trust can set me right.
The U.K. seems to be quite unique in this aspect. I think it has the biggest gap between metropole and regions in the OECD, and as you say the problem is getting worse.*
At a *very* high level, the 20 million people in London and it’s hinterland have great productivity and living standards - among the highest in the West.
The other 45 million are well behind, so far in fact that they are among the *worst* performers in the West. Parts of Eastern Europe are now wealthier and more productive than many parts of the U.K., despite coming from well, well behind in 1989.
The question then is what to do about it? What’s clear is that laissez faire hasn’t worked. Pure neo-classical economics would suggest that Yorkshire et al should be catching up, because much cheaper factor inputs should be attracting businesses to set up shop. Hasn’t happened at all.
Step one though is acknowledging the problem. The London bubble media is not interested, regional issues are hidden by aggregate macro economic data, and the regions themselves lack local political leadership and media to focus attention on the problems.
*Italy has similar issue, but its North v South as opposed to Metropole v rest.
Interesting that it's only 1 hour 28 minutes by train from somewhere like Stoke-on-Trent to London. Just shows how close everywhere is in this country. Some people spend that long commuting from central London to the suburbs.
A quick look on National Rail gives a price of £160-£240 *per day* for a Stoke-London ticket, if you want to arrive in London before 10am.
The Mirror recently reported around 1,000 cases of girls being molested by gangs in Telford. Yet this appears not to have troubled the broadcast media a jot. .... Have I missed something?
Mr. M, yes, May was vindictive and petty, needlessly so. However, had Osborne remained he may have become PM after her failed election (a Henry IV to her Richard II).
Would George Osborne be cancelling Brexit? Or just pursuing a softer version...
Ah, my favourite subject: the appalling economic performance of much of Britain outside London and a few bright spots.
It’s good that Yorkshire at least is starting to realise it has a problem. Of course, they have no idea what to do about it
The UK has created something of a monster - London. If you're young, intelligent, hard-working and ambitious then it's almost a no-brainer to move closer. Hard to recruit and then retain the best and brightest in the provinces (though not impossible ofc).
The ONS regional GVA stats show that almost every region is now going backwards relative to London, with the SE just about static. Is there another major country that has so much of it's population and wealth creation in its capital city? Can't think of one off the top of my head, but I'm sure the PB brains trust can set me right.
The U.K. seems to be quite unique in this aspect. I think it has the biggest gap between metropole and regions in the OECD, and as you say the problem is getting worse.*
At a *very* high level, the 20 million people in London and it’s hinterland have great productivity and living standards - among the highest in the West.
The other 45 million are well behind, so far in fact that they are among the *worst* performers in the West. Parts of Eastern Europe are now wealthier and more productive than many parts of the U.K., despite coming from well, well behind in 1989.
The question then is what to do about it? What’s clear is that laissez faire hasn’t worked. Pure neo-classical economics would suggest that Yorkshire et al should be catching up, because much cheaper factor inputs should be attracting businesses to set up shop. Hasn’t happened at all.
Step one though is acknowledging the problem. The London bubble media is not interested, regional issues are hidden by aggregate macro economic data, and the regions themselves lack local political leadership and media to focus attention on the problems.
*Italy has similar issue, but its North v South as opposed to Metropole v rest.
Interesting that it's only 1 hour 28 minutes by train from somewhere like Stoke-on-Trent to London. Just shows how close everywhere is in this country. Some people spend that long commuting from central London to the suburbs.
A quick look on National Rail gives a price of £160-£240 *per day* for a Stoke-London ticket, if you want to arrive in London before 10am.
Yes. Not really commutable. Unless you have bags of money. In which case, why live in Stoke?
Interesting that it's only 1 hour 28 minutes by train from somewhere like Stoke-on-Trent to London. Just shows how close everywhere is in this country. Some people spend that long commuting from central London to the suburbs.
A quick look on National Rail gives a price of £160-£240 *per day* for a Stoke-London ticket, if you want to arrive in London before 10am.
A normal working year is 230 days or so ?
So you're looking at 230 * 160 = £36800*1.4 (Ticket has to be bought post tax income) - call it the first 50k of gross income taken off. And then you have to live IN Stoke near the station (Not a nice village outside or the commute gets ridiculous). Doubt many people will do this lol
Ah, my favourite subject: the appalling economic performance of much of Britain outside London and a few bright spots.
It’s good that Yorkshire at least is starting to realise it has a problem. Of course, they have no idea what to do about it.
Improving educational performance doesn’t actually seem to help, as the problem is about demand (for skilled labour) rather than supply.
The UK has created something of a monster - London. If you're young, intelligent, hard-working and ambitious then it's almost a no-brainer to move closer. Hard to recruit and then retain the best and brightest in the provinces (though not impossible ofc).
The ONS regional GVA stats show that almost every region is now going backwards relative to London, with the SE just about static. Is there another major country that has so much of it's population and wealth creation in its capital city? Can't think of one off the top of my head, but I'm sure the PB brains trust can set me right.
The U.K. seems to be quite unique in this aspect. I think it has the biggest gap between metropole and regions in the OECD, and as you say the problem is getting worse.*
At a *very* high level, the 20 million people in London and it’s hinterland have great productivity and living standards - among the highest in the West.
The other 45 million are well behind, so far in fact that they are among the *worst* performers in the West. Parts of Eastern Europe are now wealthier and more productive than many parts of the U.K., despite coming from well, well behind in 1989.
The question then is what to do about it? What’s clear is that laissez faire hasn’t worked. Pure neo-classical economics would suggest that Yorkshire et al should be catching up, because much cheaper factor inputs should be attracting businesses to set up shop. Hasn’t happened at all.
Step one though is acknowledging the problem. The London bubble media is not interested, regional issues are hidden by aggregate macro economic data, and the regions themselves lack local political leadership and media to focus attention on the problems.
*Italy has similar issue, but its North v South as opposed to Metropole v rest.
Except we haven't got laissez faire or pure neo-classical economics as we've got politics dominated by a London-centric media and politicians.
A minimum wage of £7.50 per hour may not sound like much for those living in London but its a lot for struggling businesses in the North. If you believe that the North is like Eastern Europe then its roughly three times the rates there. Same for benefits and welfare policies too.
Interesting that it's only 1 hour 28 minutes by train from somewhere like Stoke-on-Trent to London. Just shows how close everywhere is in this country. Some people spend that long commuting from central London to the suburbs.
A quick look on National Rail gives a price of £160-£240 *per day* for a Stoke-London ticket, if you want to arrive in London before 10am.
A normal working year is 230 days or so ?
So you're looking at 230 * 160 = £36800*1.4 (Ticket has to be bought post tax income) - call it the first 50k of gross income taken off. And then you have to live IN Stoke near the station (Not a nice village outside or the commute gets ridiculous). Doubt many people will do this lol
An annual season ticket Stoke-on-Trent to London is around £12K (including London travel card I think). That's obviously a hell of a lot, but on the other hand so are season tickets on normal commuter routes - Tunbridge Wells for example, £5.3K on the same basis.
If anyone fancies selling the dream of a Stoke-London commute to young 20 somethings, there is a SEVEN !! bed terrace on the market a stone's throw from the station for 150,000 lol.
Interesting that it's only 1 hour 28 minutes by train from somewhere like Stoke-on-Trent to London. Just shows how close everywhere is in this country. Some people spend that long commuting from central London to the suburbs.
A quick look on National Rail gives a price of £160-£240 *per day* for a Stoke-London ticket, if you want to arrive in London before 10am.
A normal working year is 230 days or so ?
So you're looking at 230 * 160 = £36800*1.4 (Ticket has to be bought post tax income) - call it the first 50k of gross income taken off. And then you have to live IN Stoke near the station (Not a nice village outside or the commute gets ridiculous). Doubt many people will do this lol
A season ticket from Stoke to London is 9-12k. Still a lot but not inconceivable if you had family in Stoke and a well paid job in London. And hopefully could work from home now and then. http://vt.nationalrail.co.uk/service/seasonticket/tickets
This also assumes that you're commuting to Euston, rather than somewhere else in London 15 minutes or more from Euston.
Andy's point still stands - most of England is surprisingly close to most of the rest of England. Journeysa are long because the country is crowded, and because a surprisingly large proportion of the time of journeys is the bits that aren't the fast bits - the local roads, the suburban trains.
(Edited because I appear to have got the blockquotes all over the place - have given up trying to quote)
Interesting that it's only 1 hour 28 minutes by train from somewhere like Stoke-on-Trent to London. Just shows how close everywhere is in this country. Some people spend that long commuting from central London to the suburbs.
A quick look on National Rail gives a price of £160-£240 *per day* for a Stoke-London ticket, if you want to arrive in London before 10am.
A normal working year is 230 days or so ?
So you're looking at 230 * 160 = £36800*1.4 (Ticket has to be bought post tax income) - call it the first 50k of gross income taken off. And then you have to live IN Stoke near the station (Not a nice village outside or the commute gets ridiculous). Doubt many people will do this lol
I've just found a season ticket for £7,720 on Virgin Trains with an average ticket price of £16.63
Interesting that it's only 1 hour 28 minutes by train from somewhere like Stoke-on-Trent to London. Just shows how close everywhere is in this country. Some people spend that long commuting from central London to the suburbs.
A quick look on National Rail gives a price of £160-£240 *per day* for a Stoke-London ticket, if you want to arrive in London before 10am.
A normal working year is 230 days or so ?
So you're looking at 230 * 160 = £36800*1.4 (Ticket has to be bought post tax income) - call it the first 50k of gross income taken off. And then you have to live IN Stoke near the station (Not a nice village outside or the commute gets ridiculous). Doubt many people will do this lol
Interesting that it's only 1 hour 28 minutes by train from somewhere like Stoke-on-Trent to London. Just shows how close everywhere is in this country. Some people spend that long commuting from central London to the suburbs.
A quick look on National Rail gives a price of £160-£240 *per day* for a Stoke-London ticket, if you want to arrive in London before 10am.
A normal working year is 230 days or so ?
So you're looking at 230 * 160 = £36800*1.4 (Ticket has to be bought post tax income) - call it the first 50k of gross income taken off. And then you have to live IN Stoke near the station (Not a nice village outside or the commute gets ridiculous). Doubt many people will do this lol
An annual season ticket Stoke-on-Trent to London is around £12K (including London travel card I think). That's obviously a hell of a lot, but on the other hand so are season tickets on normal commuter routes - Tunbridge Wells for example, £5.3K on the same basis.
I reckon the best value season ticket is something like Basingstoke at £4,464.
Interesting that it's only 1 hour 28 minutes by train from somewhere like Stoke-on-Trent to London. Just shows how close everywhere is in this country. Some people spend that long commuting from central London to the suburbs.
A quick look on National Rail gives a price of £160-£240 *per day* for a Stoke-London ticket, if you want to arrive in London before 10am.
A normal working year is 230 days or so ?
So you're looking at 230 * 160 = £36800*1.4 (Ticket has to be bought post tax income) - call it the first 50k of gross income taken off. And then you have to live IN Stoke near the station (Not a nice village outside or the commute gets ridiculous). Doubt many people will do this lol
A years season ticket Stoke to London Euston return is £7,700. That is a very long way from your £36,800
Interesting that it's only 1 hour 28 minutes by train from somewhere like Stoke-on-Trent to London. Just shows how close everywhere is in this country. Some people spend that long commuting from central London to the suburbs.
A quick look on National Rail gives a price of £160-£240 *per day* for a Stoke-London ticket, if you want to arrive in London before 10am.
A normal working year is 230 days or so ?
So you're looking at 230 * 160 = £36800*1.4 (Ticket has to be bought post tax income) - call it the first 50k of gross income taken off. And then you have to live IN Stoke near the station (Not a nice village outside or the commute gets ridiculous). Doubt many people will do this lol
A years season ticket Stoke to London Euston return is £7,700. That is a very long way from your £36,800
Interesting that it's only 1 hour 28 minutes by train from somewhere like Stoke-on-Trent to London. Just shows how close everywhere is in this country. Some people spend that long commuting from central London to the suburbs.
A quick look on National Rail gives a price of £160-£240 *per day* for a Stoke-London ticket, if you want to arrive in London before 10am.
A normal working year is 230 days or so ?
So you're looking at 230 * 160 = £36800*1.4 (Ticket has to be bought post tax income) - call it the first 50k of gross income taken off. And then you have to live IN Stoke near the station (Not a nice village outside or the commute gets ridiculous). Doubt many people will do this lol
A years season ticket Stoke to London Euston return is £7,700. That is a very long way from your £36,800
Ah, my favourite subject: the appalling economic performance of much of Britain outside London and a few bright spots.
It’s good that Yorkshire at least is starting to realise it has a problem. Of course, they have no idea what to do about it.
Improving educational performance doesn’t actually seem to help, as the problem is about demand (for skilled labour) rather than supply.
The UK has created something of a monster - London. If you're young, intelligent, hard-working and ambitious then it's almost a no-brainer to move closer. Hard to recruit and then retain the best and brightest in the provinces (though not impossible ofc).
The ONS regional GVA stats show that almost every region is now going backwards relative to London, with the SE just about static. Is there another major country that has so much of it's population and wealth creation in its capital city? Can't think of one off the top of my head, but I'm sure the PB brains trust can set me right.
The U.K. seems to be quite unique in this aspect. I think it has the biggest gap between metropole and regions in the OECD, and as you say the problem is getting worse.*
At a *very* high level, the 20 million people in London and it’s hinterland have great productivity and living standards - among the highest in the West.
Except we haven't got laissez faire or pure neo-classical economics as we've got politics dominated by a London-centric media and politicians.
A minimum wage of £7.50 per hour may not sound like much for those living in London but its a lot for struggling businesses in the North. If you believe that the North is like Eastern Europe then its roughly three times the rates there. Same for benefits and welfare policies too.
That’s what the neo-classicists say, too - that we must make labour even CHEAPER and disincentives to work (benefits) even WORSE.
Yet, the problem does not seem to be unemployment. Generally speaking, there are jobs. But they are low skill, low pay, low productivity ones. Making labour cheaper etc won’t help.
If you are interested, there’s a good book on the differing fortunes of LA and SF.
Both operate under the same macro framework - are in the same State! - and were in approx the same position postwar. But SF started to outpace LA in the 80s, and the gap has got bigger and bigger. LA is now one of the worst performing large mets in the US. The book tries to work out why.
Interesting that it's only 1 hour 28 minutes by train from somewhere like Stoke-on-Trent to London. Just shows how close everywhere is in this country. Some people spend that long commuting from central London to the suburbs.
A quick look on National Rail gives a price of £160-£240 *per day* for a Stoke-London ticket, if you want to arrive in London before 10am.
A normal working year is 230 days or so ?
So you're looking at 230 * 160 = £36800*1.4 (Ticket has to be bought post tax income) - call it the first 50k of gross income taken off. And then you have to live IN Stoke near the station (Not a nice village outside or the commute gets ridiculous). Doubt many people will do this lol
My wife did exactly that for a while (complete with nice village ) to work Mon & Tues in Chancery Lane, though on a staying overnight basis. It does grind you down a bit.
Vince cable just spent his entire 5 mins on R5 explaining that he doesn’t really despise all of the 17.4M Ho voted leave and not all of them are racist.
A triumphant weekend in getting the LD revival back off track.
Cable has now effectively set the LDs against Brexit and firmly for a second EU referendum, in his speech saying he originally thought they had to respect the Leave vote but that the overwhelming youth vote for Remain and elderly vote for Leave changed his mind.
He also set the LDs against leaving the Customs Union which he said would mean leaving European friends for the 'warmonger in Washington' and the 'bully in Beijing'
Cable has set the LDs against half of Britain nevermind Brexit.
The LDs have been outgunned on virtue signalling, handwringing and identity politics by the Corbynites - they are flapping around for a reason to exist. Cable choosing to take on Corbyn on who despises Britain the most is - well - brave.
Corbyn at least remains committed to respecting the Leave vote
OT. Why has it taken over a year for a senior politician to raise his head above the parapet and speak out?
The 'Leave' campaign was based around a single overtly racist broadcast repeated ad nauseam. It had the undertones of a Nazi propaganda film of the 30's and in terms of accepted media spend it was a multi million pound campaign which also appeared on news channels throughout Europe. Following 'Leave's' victory and the supine nature of politicians to their constituents any reference to it became impossible.
This has caused a simmering resentment with no outlet. The 48%- particularly the well travelled young- are very angry at being tarred with the same brush as their elders who were not -as often suggested- deluded by the 'Leave' campaign but seduced by it.
The reputational damage to this country is immense and it's not about economics. It's about time someone spoke out
People said so at the time, Roger. And a lot of remainers are concerned about immigration. And Cable presents no evidence to back up his claim that ‘too many’ old people were racists (one wonders how many is too many).
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What a pity.
He stopped being a Blue after the abuse and lies Evertonians used to aim at Robbie Fowler.
Liverpool has a long and distinguished line of boyhood Evertonians becoming Liverpool legends.
Rush, Fowler, McManaman, Carragher, and Owen to name but a few, they see the light, less go the other way, and can you blame them.
the “industrious accountant” style of Leveson was trumped by Dodd, the popular comedian:
When it came to cross-examining Dodd … the Liverpool comedian ran rings round the Liverpool barrister, rebutting serious allegations with a mixture of sincere outrage and quick one-liners. In response, Leveson manifestly lacked humour. To borrow Ed Miliband’s phrase: he didn’t get it [I’m not actually sure if Ed Milliband can actually take the credit for coining that phrase].
More importantly, he lacked the common touch. As the late Sir Ronald Waterhouse, the presiding judge in the Dodd trial, told me in interview: “He lost the mood of the case, and he certainly lost the jury”. When Dodd was acquitted on all charges, much praise was heaped on my father’s courtroom performance. Little was said about Leveson, except that he was stunned by his failure to achieve a conviction.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Bbkoh2mY66g
Gobbing on a young Manchester United fan.
Cable has set the LDs against half of Britain nevermind Brexit.
The LDs have been outgunned on virtue signalling, handwringing and identity politics by the Corbynites - they are flapping around for a reason to exist. Cable choosing to take on Corbyn on who despises Britain the most is - well - brave.
He is aiming to build a platform for a future London Mayoral run in my view, his PM dream probably died with the Leave vote and Cameron's departure
Well hopefully the lad should know who he supported, but there was a story in the Echo where he'd paid for some Liverpool fan stranded after a European match to get home. He shrugged it off with the comment "It was one Bootle Red supporting another."
Either poetic licence (as a Liverpool player) or a sub-editor possibly? Certainly Wiki says he's an Everton fan born in Bootle.
Edit, Thanks, Mr Eagles. I've lived here twenty odd years but I'll never be a Scouser. I still get asked where I'm really from. I never realised it was a racist question until I read about it in the Guardian last year.
We need radical centrism, and the Brexit wars need a much more intelligent approach.
The problem is, do the LDs really have so many other options? People are talking up Layla Moran but her main contribution so far has been defending the right of boys to wear dresses?
Apart from Brexit, ideologically there's no difference policy between the Govester and George.
So not much like the DM at all then, since those are its defining qualities.
"Remaining in the Single Market while outside the EU political structures is an option but for those of us concerned about immigration unacceptable."
Is it really an option? In what parallel universe could the EU allow us to stay in the Single Market without taking on the other responsibilities. It would be political suicide for them even if they wanted it.
The 'Leave' campaign was based around a single overtly racist broadcast repeated ad nauseam. It had the undertones of a Nazi propaganda film of the 30's and in terms of accepted media spend it was a multi million pound campaign which also appeared on news channels throughout Europe. Following 'Leave's' victory and the supine nature of politicians to their constituents any reference to it became impossible.
This has caused a simmering resentment with no outlet. The 48%- particularly the well travelled young- are very angry at being tarred with the same brush as their elders who were not -as often suggested- deluded by the 'Leave' campaign but seduced by it.
The reputational damage to this country is immense and it's not about economics. It's about time someone spoke out
The Ultras will hate anything, even if May came back with a cake, an eaten cake and Juncker and Barnier's heads on spikes, they'd whine about it.
In terms of Uncle Vince, the only explanation I can think of is that the leaders of our political parties got pissed last Christmas and decided to wager on who was worse at everyday politics. I thought JC had it by a short head, but credit to Cable for coming through on the rails.
https://twitter.com/yorkshirepost/status/973136541567549440
Standing up for his member?
Four legs good, all fours better?
I'll stop now.
Of course, GO is no WSC
http://moonlightresearch.co.uk
His great weakness was for political gimmicks, but the data show that he was an effective and remarkably re-distributive chancellor. I'm sure he's making more money in the private sector, but he's a great loss to politics, particularly when you look at the ocean of mediocrity on both sides of the HoP.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/labourproductivity/articles/subregionalproductivity/march2016
It’s good that Yorkshire at least is starting to realise it has a problem. Of course, they have no idea what to do about it.
Interestingly, improving educational/skills performance doesn’t actually seem to help, as the problem is about demand (for skilled labour) rather than supply.
Which is arguably GO's greatest fault: if he were more popular within the party, he could be at Defence or somewhere now.
The ONS regional GVA stats show that almost every region is now going backwards relative to London, with the SE just about static. Is there another major country that has so much of it's population and wealth creation in its capital city? Can't think of one off the top of my head, but I'm sure the PB brains trust can set me right.
I’m a tentative fan, I think strategically he was excellent, but he always had a tendency to be too clever by half - see his various budget gimmicks for details.
He also didn’t rein in Cameron’s complacency enough.
He has no popular support of his own, and he controls no party machine to make up for it. And, I can’t seem him serving another PM - he’s done his dash.
Keep laying BJ for next leader, some of my best betting results ever were from laying GO and BJ for next leader and next PM in the aftermath of the 2015 election - when they they were pretty much both evens.
At a *very* high level, the 20 million people in London and it’s hinterland have great productivity and living standards - among the highest in the West.
The other 45 million are well behind, so far in fact that they are among the *worst* performers in the West. Parts of Eastern Europe are now wealthier and more productive than many parts of the U.K., despite coming from well, well behind in 1989.
The question then is what to do about it?
What’s clear is that laissez faire hasn’t worked. Pure neo-classical economics would suggest that Yorkshire et al should be catching up, because much cheaper factor inputs should be attracting businesses to set up shop. Hasn’t happened at all.
Step one though is acknowledging the problem. The London bubble media is not interested, regional issues are hidden by aggregate macro economic data, and the regions themselves lack local political leadership and media to focus attention on the problems.
*Italy has similar issue, but its North v South as opposed to Metropole v rest.
But I think the referendum campaign made him something of a pariah to Leaver MPs.
They didn't enjoy his tricks when they were on the receiving end.
I can't see how they could be persuaded to forgive.
I mean look how irate they are about Philip Hammond being Chancellor...
Or just pursuing a softer version...
So you're looking at 230 * 160 = £36800*1.4 (Ticket has to be bought post tax income) - call it the first 50k of gross income taken off. And then you have to live IN Stoke near the station (Not a nice village outside or the commute gets ridiculous). Doubt many people will do this lol
A minimum wage of £7.50 per hour may not sound like much for those living in London but its a lot for struggling businesses in the North. If you believe that the North is like Eastern Europe then its roughly three times the rates there. Same for benefits and welfare policies too.
http://vt.nationalrail.co.uk/service/seasonticket/tickets
This also assumes that you're commuting to Euston, rather than somewhere else in London 15 minutes or more from Euston.
Andy's point still stands - most of England is surprisingly close to most of the rest of England. Journeysa are long because the country is crowded, and because a surprisingly large proportion of the time of journeys is the bits that aren't the fast bits - the local roads, the suburban trains.
(Edited because I appear to have got the blockquotes all over the place - have given up trying to quote)
https://vt.nationalrail.co.uk/service/seasonticket/tickets
Yet, the problem does not seem to be unemployment. Generally speaking, there are jobs. But they are low skill, low pay, low productivity ones. Making labour cheaper etc won’t help.
If you are interested, there’s a good book on the differing fortunes of LA and SF.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Rise-Fall-Urban-Economies-Innovation/dp/0804789401
Both operate under the same macro framework - are in the same State! - and were in approx the same position postwar. But SF started to outpace LA in the 80s, and the gap has got bigger and bigger. LA is now one of the worst performing large mets in the US. The book tries to work out why.