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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,125

    Pulpstar said:

    TGOHF said:

    Jaguar Land Rover is to cut 1,000 jobs in the west Midlands, blaming a slump in car sales due to uncertainty over Brexit and the future of diesel vehicles.

    Britain’s biggest carmaker will cut 1,000 temporary contract workers at its plant in Solihull. The factory employs 10,000 workers, including 2,000 contract staff.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/apr/13/jaguar-land-rover-to-announce-1000-job-cuts-next-week?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

    That blame could be 1% Brexit and 99% because they make diesels....
    Professor of industry, David Bailey, from Aston University, said: "With the big turn against diesel engines, Jaguar Land Rover is particularly exposed as more than 90% of its UK sales are diesels.

    Given how unpopular diesels are, it's a bit like trying to sell a car with claims that it has been personally detailed by members of the FSB.
    Diesel cars are finished. Diesel buses and light vans wont be far behind.

    Uk : Oct 2015 diesel cars were 52% of new sales, now 32%.



    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/electric-buses-china-half-worlds-fleet-public-transport-renewable-energy-a8190651.html
    Managed to get 70 MPG on the work run this morning, am going to try and keep my diesel running for some years yet :)
    How many people will die as a result
    Ask Gordon Brown. I'm sure he must have the numbers on additional particuate deaths. He was the biggest proponent of ramping up diesel ownership by cutting the price as against unleaded.
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    AnazinaAnazina Posts: 3,487
    RoyalBlue said:

    Pulpstar said:

    TGOHF said:

    Jaguar Land Rover is to cut 1,000 jobs in the west Midlands, blaming a slump in car sales due to uncertainty over Brexit and the future of diesel vehicles.

    Britain’s biggest carmaker will cut 1,000 temporary contract workers at its plant in Solihull. The factory employs 10,000 workers, including 2,000 contract staff.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/apr/13/jaguar-land-rover-to-announce-1000-job-cuts-next-week?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

    That blame could be 1% Brexit and 99% because they make diesels....
    Professor of industry, David Bailey, from Aston University, said: "With the big turn against diesel engines, Jaguar Land Rover is particularly exposed as more than 90% of its UK sales are diesels.

    Given how unpopular diesels are, it's a bit like trying to sell a car with claims that it has been personally detailed by members of the FSB.
    Diesel cars are finished. Diesel buses and light vans wont be far behind.

    Uk : Oct 2015 diesel cars were 52% of new sales, now 32%.



    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/electric-buses-china-half-worlds-fleet-public-transport-renewable-energy-a8190651.html
    Managed to get 70 MPG on the work run this morning, am going to try and keep my diesel running for some years yet :)
    How many people will die as a result
    WON’T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN
    Brilliant how you trivialise an important issue. Diesel pollution is literally killing people. Yet you find the whole topic amusing.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929
    Anazina said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    Pulpstar said:

    TGOHF said:

    Jaguar Land Rover is to cut 1,000 jobs in the west Midlands, blaming a slump in car sales due to uncertainty over Brexit and the future of diesel vehicles.

    Britain’s biggest carmaker will cut 1,000 temporary contract workers at its plant in Solihull. The factory employs 10,000 workers, including 2,000 contract staff.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/apr/13/jaguar-land-rover-to-announce-1000-job-cuts-next-week?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

    That blame could be 1% Brexit and 99% because they make diesels....
    Professor of industry, David Bailey, from Aston University, said: "With the big turn against diesel engines, Jaguar Land Rover is particularly exposed as more than 90% of its UK sales are diesels.

    Given how unpopular diesels are, it's a bit like trying to sell a car with claims that it has been personally detailed by members of the FSB.
    Diesel cars are finished. Diesel buses and light vans wont be far behind.

    Uk : Oct 2015 diesel cars were 52% of new sales, now 32%.



    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/electric-buses-china-half-worlds-fleet-public-transport-renewable-energy-a8190651.html
    Managed to get 70 MPG on the work run this morning, am going to try and keep my diesel running for some years yet :)
    How many people will die as a result
    WON’T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN
    Brilliant how you trivialise an important issue. Diesel pollution is literally killing people. Yet you find the whole topic amusing.
    I hope Sussex' bus fleet is all electric...
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    Who is that **** on Sky news - Peter something?

    Just turned on and find myself screaming at tv
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    Anazina said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    Pulpstar said:

    TGOHF said:

    Jaguar Land Rover is to cut 1,000 jobs in the west Midlands, blaming a slump in car sales due to uncertainty over Brexit and the future of diesel vehicles.

    Britain’s biggest carmaker will cut 1,000 temporary contract workers at its plant in Solihull. The factory employs 10,000 workers, including 2,000 contract staff.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/apr/13/jaguar-land-rover-to-announce-1000-job-cuts-next-week?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

    That blame could be 1% Brexit and 99% because they make diesels....
    Professor of industry, David Bailey, from Aston University, said: "With the big turn against diesel engines, Jaguar Land Rover is particularly exposed as more than 90% of its UK sales are diesels.

    Given how unpopular diesels are, it's a bit like trying to sell a car with claims that it has been personally detailed by members of the FSB.
    Diesel cars are finished. Diesel buses and light vans wont be far behind.

    Uk : Oct 2015 diesel cars were 52% of new sales, now 32%.



    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/electric-buses-china-half-worlds-fleet-public-transport-renewable-energy-a8190651.html
    Managed to get 70 MPG on the work run this morning, am going to try and keep my diesel running for some years yet :)
    How many people will die as a result
    WON’T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN
    Brilliant how you trivialise an important issue. Diesel pollution is literally killing people. Yet you find the whole topic amusing.
    Labour- literally killing people since 1997
    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/oct/01/uk-government-wrong-to-subsidise-diesel-says-former-minister
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    Foxy said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    The article quoted above is relevant to Philip Collins’ point. Owen Jones may not like it but the far left strand of thought which Corbyn represents provides a very fertile ground for anti-semitism to flourish. It is the Jew as blood-sucking capitalist oppressor strand which flourishes and is intimately linked to this far left view.
    It's a measure of Labour's problem with antisemitism and knee-jerk anti-UK/US attitudes that when Dianne Abbott gives WW2 as an example of a conflict where it was legitimate to use force, people feel able to joke "on which side?".
    We know that some of Corbyn’s advisors who have been Communists most of their life would have done what Communists did at the time, which was not to fight until 1941, having first allied themselves with the Nazis. So not that much of a joke to wonder on which side people like him and Seamus Milne who still admires Stalin and Corbyn who wanted the total rehabilitation of Trotsky and who has been writing for and reading the Morning star all his life would be. I cannot be certain that they would be on Britain’s side. And I am someone who does not think that Britain should automatically do whatever the US asks of us.
    A quarter of Labour Party members think the U.K. is a force for bad in this world.
    Well of course! That is Tory foreign policy for you.

    Under different management we need not be a force for bad. It is why we need change.
    Someone has a bad ... or very selective memory
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    RoyalBlue said:

    Pulpstar said:

    TGOHF said:

    Jaguar Land Rover is to cut 1,000 jobs in the west Midlands, blaming a slump in car sales due to uncertainty over Brexit and the future of diesel vehicles.

    Britain’s biggest carmaker will cut 1,000 temporary contract workers at its plant in Solihull. The factory employs 10,000 workers, including 2,000 contract staff.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/apr/13/jaguar-land-rover-to-announce-1000-job-cuts-next-week?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

    That blame could be 1% Brexit and 99% because they make diesels....
    Professor of industry, David Bailey, from Aston University, said: "With the big turn against diesel engines, Jaguar Land Rover is particularly exposed as more than 90% of its UK sales are diesels.

    Given how unpopular diesels are, it's a bit like trying to sell a car with claims that it has been personally detailed by members of the FSB.
    Diesel cars are finished. Diesel buses and light vans wont be far behind.

    Uk : Oct 2015 diesel cars were 52% of new sales, now 32%.



    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/electric-buses-china-half-worlds-fleet-public-transport-renewable-energy-a8190651.html
    Managed to get 70 MPG on the work run this morning, am going to try and keep my diesel running for some years yet :)
    How many people will die as a result
    WON’T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN
    Just bought a new Diesel.........

    ducks and covers
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    AnazinaAnazina Posts: 3,487

    Anazina said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    Pulpstar said:

    TGOHF said:

    Jaguar Land Rover is to cut 1,000 jobs in the west Midlands, blaming a slump in car sales due to uncertainty over Brexit and the future of diesel vehicles.

    Britain’s biggest carmaker will cut 1,000 temporary contract workers at its plant in Solihull. The factory employs 10,000 workers, including 2,000 contract staff.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/apr/13/jaguar-land-rover-to-announce-1000-job-cuts-next-week?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

    That blame could be 1% Brexit and 99% because they make diesels....
    Professor of industry, David Bailey, from Aston University, said: "With the big turn against diesel engines, Jaguar Land Rover is particularly exposed as more than 90% of its UK sales are diesels.

    Given how unpopular diesels are, it's a bit like trying to sell a car with claims that it has been personally detailed by members of the FSB.
    Diesel cars are finished. Diesel buses and light vans wont be far behind.

    Uk : Oct 2015 diesel cars were 52% of new sales, now 32%.



    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/electric-buses-china-half-worlds-fleet-public-transport-renewable-energy-a8190651.html
    Managed to get 70 MPG on the work run this morning, am going to try and keep my diesel running for some years yet :)
    How many people will die as a result
    WON’T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN
    Brilliant how you trivialise an important issue. Diesel pollution is literally killing people. Yet you find the whole topic amusing.
    Labour- literally killing people since 1997
    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/oct/01/uk-government-wrong-to-subsidise-diesel-says-former-minister
    Yes, it was a major mistake. I wasn't making a partisan point (you were?) FWIW I am hardly an enthusiastic party wallah unlike many of the sycophantics on here.
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    Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    Anazina said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    Pulpstar said:

    TGOHF said:

    Jaguar Land Rover is to cut 1,000 jobs in the west Midlands, blaming a slump in car sales due to uncertainty over Brexit and the future of diesel vehicles.

    Britain’s biggest carmaker will cut 1,000 temporary contract workers at its plant in Solihull. The factory employs 10,000 workers, including 2,000 contract staff.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/apr/13/jaguar-land-rover-to-announce-1000-job-cuts-next-week?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

    That blame could be 1% Brexit and 99% because they make diesels....
    Professor of industry, David Bailey, from Aston University, said: "With the big turn against diesel engines, Jaguar Land Rover is particularly exposed as more than 90% of its UK sales are diesels.

    Given how unpopular diesels are, it's a bit like trying to sell a car with claims that it has been personally detailed by members of the FSB.
    Diesel cars are finished. Diesel buses and light vans wont be far behind.

    Uk : Oct 2015 diesel cars were 52% of new sales, now 32%.



    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/electric-buses-china-half-worlds-fleet-public-transport-renewable-energy-a8190651.html
    Managed to get 70 MPG on the work run this morning, am going to try and keep my diesel running for some years yet :)
    How many people will die as a result
    WON’T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN
    Brilliant how you trivialise an important issue. Diesel pollution is literally killing people. Yet you find the whole topic amusing.
    Petrol pollution is also literally killing people, so can you confirm that you never travel by either method nor consume any form of good which has ever been transported by either method? Or are you just a callous MURDERER?
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    Russia has 'proof' UK behind chemical attack
    Russia's defence ministry has said it has 'proof that testifies to the direct participation of Britain in the organising of this provocation in Eastern Ghouta'.

    Russian defence ministry spokesman Igor Konashenkov said the UK had told the White Helmets, who act as first responders in rebel-held areas, to fake the suspected chemical attack in the town of Douma.
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    AnazinaAnazina Posts: 3,487
    Pulpstar said:

    Anazina said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    Pulpstar said:

    TGOHF said:

    Jaguar Land Rover is to cut 1,000 jobs in the west Midlands, blaming a slump in car sales due to uncertainty over Brexit and the future of diesel vehicles.

    Britain’s biggest carmaker will cut 1,000 temporary contract workers at its plant in Solihull. The factory employs 10,000 workers, including 2,000 contract staff.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/apr/13/jaguar-land-rover-to-announce-1000-job-cuts-next-week?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

    That blame could be 1% Brexit and 99% because they make diesels....
    Professor of industry, David Bailey, from Aston University, said: "With the big turn against diesel engines, Jaguar Land Rover is particularly exposed as more than 90% of its UK sales are diesels.

    Given how unpopular diesels are, it's a bit like trying to sell a car with claims that it has been personally detailed by members of the FSB.
    Diesel cars are finished. Diesel buses and light vans wont be far behind.

    Uk : Oct 2015 diesel cars were 52% of new sales, now 32%.



    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/electric-buses-china-half-worlds-fleet-public-transport-renewable-energy-a8190651.html
    Managed to get 70 MPG on the work run this morning, am going to try and keep my diesel running for some years yet :)
    How many people will die as a result
    WON’T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN
    Brilliant how you trivialise an important issue. Diesel pollution is literally killing people. Yet you find the whole topic amusing.
    I hope Sussex' bus fleet is all electric...
    Indeed so, but I don't understand the relevance of Sussex particularly.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,232
    Ishmael_Z said:

    Anazina said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    Pulpstar said:

    TGOHF said:

    Jaguar Land Rover is to cut 1,000 jobs in the west Midlands, blaming a slump in car sales due to uncertainty over Brexit and the future of diesel vehicles.

    Britain’s biggest carmaker will cut 1,000 temporary contract workers at its plant in Solihull. The factory employs 10,000 workers, including 2,000 contract staff.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/apr/13/jaguar-land-rover-to-announce-1000-job-cuts-next-week?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

    That blame could be 1% Brexit and 99% because they make diesels....
    Professor of industry, David Bailey, from Aston University, said: "With the big turn against diesel engines, Jaguar Land Rover is particularly exposed as more than 90% of its UK sales are diesels.

    Given how unpopular diesels are, it's a bit like trying to sell a car with claims that it has been personally detailed by members of the FSB.
    Diesel cars are finished. Diesel buses and light vans wont be far behind.

    Uk : Oct 2015 diesel cars were 52% of new sales, now 32%.



    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/electric-buses-china-half-worlds-fleet-public-transport-renewable-energy-a8190651.html
    Managed to get 70 MPG on the work run this morning, am going to try and keep my diesel running for some years yet :)
    How many people will die as a result
    WON’T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN
    Brilliant how you trivialise an important issue. Diesel pollution is literally killing people. Yet you find the whole topic amusing.
    Petrol pollution is also literally killing people, so can you confirm that you never travel by either method nor consume any form of good which has ever been transported by either method? Or are you just a callous MURDERER?
    As for lithium and nickel production pollution to fuel electric cars...
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    AnazinaAnazina Posts: 3,487
    Foxy said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    The article quoted above is relevant to Philip Collins’ point. Owen Jones may not like it but the far left strand of thought which Corbyn represents provides a very fertile ground for anti-semitism to flourish. It is the Jew as blood-sucking capitalist oppressor strand which flourishes and is intimately linked to this far left view.
    It's a measure of Labour's problem with antisemitism and knee-jerk anti-UK/US attitudes that when Dianne Abbott gives WW2 as an example of a conflict where it was legitimate to use force, people feel able to joke "on which side?".
    We know that some of Corbyn’s advisors who have been Communists most of their life would have done what Communists did at the time, which was not to fight until 1941, having first allied themselves with the Nazis. So not that much of a joke to wonder on which side people like him and Seamus Milne who still admires Stalin and Corbyn who wanted the total rehabilitation of Trotsky and who has been writing for and reading the Morning star all his life would be. I cannot be certain that they would be on Britain’s side. And I am someone who does not think that Britain should automatically do whatever the US asks of us.
    A quarter of Labour Party members think the U.K. is a force for bad in this world.
    Well of course! That is Tory foreign policy for you.

    Under different management we need not be a force for bad. It is why we need change.
    Clearly you don't subscribe to the "my country, right or wrong" worldview.
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    Anazina said:

    Foxy said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    The article quoted above is relevant to Philip Collins’ point. Owen Jones may not like it but the far left strand of thought which Corbyn represents provides a very fertile ground for anti-semitism to flourish. It is the Jew as blood-sucking capitalist oppressor strand which flourishes and is intimately linked to this far left view.
    It's a measure of Labour's problem with antisemitism and knee-jerk anti-UK/US attitudes that when Dianne Abbott gives WW2 as an example of a conflict where it was legitimate to use force, people feel able to joke "on which side?".
    We know that some of Corbyn’s advisors who have been Communists most of their life would have done what Communists did at the time, which was not to fight until 1941, having first allied themselves with the Nazis. So not that much of a joke to wonder on which side people like him and Seamus Milne who still admires Stalin and Corbyn who wanted the total rehabilitation of Trotsky and who has been writing for and reading the Morning star all his life would be. I cannot be certain that they would be on Britain’s side. And I am someone who does not think that Britain should automatically do whatever the US asks of us.
    A quarter of Labour Party members think the U.K. is a force for bad in this world.
    Well of course! That is Tory foreign policy for you.

    Under different management we need not be a force for bad. It is why we need change.
    Clearly you don't subscribe to the "my country, right or wrong" worldview.
    Clearly he uses any stick to bash the tories
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929
    Anazina said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Anazina said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    Pulpstar said:

    TGOHF said:

    Jaguar Land Rover is to cut 1,000 jobs in the west Midlands, blaming a slump in car sales due to uncertainty over Brexit and the future of diesel vehicles.

    Britain’s biggest carmaker will cut 1,000 temporary contract workers at its plant in Solihull. The factory employs 10,000 workers, including 2,000 contract staff.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/apr/13/jaguar-land-rover-to-announce-1000-job-cuts-next-week?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

    That blame could be 1% Brexit and 99% because they make diesels....
    Professor of industry, David Bailey, from Aston University, said: "With the big turn against diesel engines, Jaguar Land Rover is particularly exposed as more than 90% of its UK sales are diesels.

    Given how unpopular diesels are, it's a bit like trying to sell a car with claims that it has been personally detailed by members of the FSB.
    Diesel cars are finished. Diesel buses and light vans wont be far behind.

    Uk : Oct 2015 diesel cars were 52% of new sales, now 32%.



    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/electric-buses-china-half-worlds-fleet-public-transport-renewable-energy-a8190651.html
    Managed to get 70 MPG on the work run this morning, am going to try and keep my diesel running for some years yet :)
    How many people will die as a result
    WON’T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN
    Brilliant how you trivialise an important issue. Diesel pollution is literally killing people. Yet you find the whole topic amusing.
    I hope Sussex' bus fleet is all electric...
    Indeed so, but I don't understand the relevance of Sussex particularly.
    Check back about 4 pages Bob job :)
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,205
    Foxy said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    The article quoted above is relevant to Philip Collins’ point. Owen Jones may not like it but the far left strand of thought which Corbyn represents provides a very fertile ground for anti-semitism to flourish. It is the Jew as blood-sucking capitalist oppressor strand which flourishes and is intimately linked to this far left view.
    It's a measure of Labour's problem with antisemitism and knee-jerk anti-UK/US attitudes that when Dianne Abbott gives WW2 as an example of a conflict where it was legitimate to use force, people feel able to joke "on which side?".
    We know that some of Corbyn’s advisors who have been Communists most of their life would have done what Communists did at the time, which was not to fight until 1941, having first allied themselves with the Nazis. So not that much of a joke to wonder on which side people like him and Seamus Milne who still admires Stalin and Corbyn who wanted the total rehabilitation of Trotsky and who has been writing for and reading the Morning star all his life would be. I cannot be certain that they would be on Britain’s side. And I am someone who does not think that Britain should automatically do whatever the US asks of us.
    A quarter of Labour Party members think the U.K. is a force for bad in this world.
    Well of course! That is Tory foreign policy for you.

    Under different management we need not be a force for bad. It is why we need change.
    In what way do you think Britain is a force for bad in the world?

    And do you think that allying us with Russia will make us a force for good?
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,860
    Floater said:

    Who is that **** on Sky news - Peter something?

    Just turned on and find myself screaming at tv

    Floater said:

    Who is that **** on Sky news - Peter something?

    Just turned on and find myself screaming at tv

    Head of British Armed forces on Sky said it was more than possible a set up.They cut him off quick
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,232
    Cyclefree said:

    Foxy said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    The article quoted above is relevant to Philip Collins’ point. Owen Jones may not like it but the far left strand of thought which Corbyn represents provides a very fertile ground for anti-semitism to flourish. It is the Jew as blood-sucking capitalist oppressor strand which flourishes and is intimately linked to this far left view.
    It's a measure of Labour's problem with antisemitism and knee-jerk anti-UK/US attitudes that when Dianne Abbott gives WW2 as an example of a conflict where it was legitimate to use force, people feel able to joke "on which side?".
    We know that some of Corbyn’s advisors who have been Communists most of their life would have done what Communists did at the time, which was not to fight until 1941, having first allied themselves with the Nazis. So not that much of a joke to wonder on which side people like him and Seamus Milne who still admires Stalin and Corbyn who wanted the total rehabilitation of Trotsky and who has been writing for and reading the Morning star all his life would be. I cannot be certain that they would be on Britain’s side. And I am someone who does not think that Britain should automatically do whatever the US asks of us.
    A quarter of Labour Party members think the U.K. is a force for bad in this world.
    Well of course! That is Tory foreign policy for you.

    Under different management we need not be a force for bad. It is why we need change.
    In what way do you think Britain is a force for bad in the world?

    And do you think that allying us with Russia will make us a force for good?
    I'm more surprised to learn that the Tories under Boris have a foreign policy.
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,419

    Dura_Ace said:

    Jaguar Land Rover is to cut 1,000 jobs in the west Midlands, blaming a slump in car sales due to uncertainty over Brexit and the future of diesel vehicles.

    Britain’s biggest carmaker will cut 1,000 temporary contract workers at its plant in Solihull. The factory employs 10,000 workers, including 2,000 contract staff.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/apr/13/jaguar-land-rover-to-announce-1000-job-cuts-next-week?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

    That blame could be 1% Brexit and 99% because they make diesels....
    Professor of industry, David Bailey, from Aston University, said: "With the big turn against diesel engines, Jaguar Land Rover is particularly exposed as more than 90% of its UK sales are diesels.

    Given how unpopular diesels are, it's a bit like trying to sell a car with claims that it has been personally detailed by members of the FSB.
    JLR’s big problem is its sub Eastern Bloc build quality and reliability. They are always bitterly slugging it out with Jeep for the bottom spot on the JD Power survey.
    JD Power 2017
    Kia and Volvo rank highest in a tie in vehicle dependability among all brands, with a score of 83 Problems per 100 vehicles over up to 3 years. Škoda ranks third with 89 PP100, followed by Suzuki with 92 PP100.

    Vauxhall has two models (Insignia and Meriva) that receive segment awards. Škoda Fabia, Peugeot 108, Volvo V40 and Jaguar XF also receive a segment award.

    The 2017 UK Vehicle Dependability Study is based on responses from more than 12,000 owners of new vehicles registered from February 2014 through April 2016. The study was fielded from February through April 2017.

    The most often reported problem is built-in Bluetooth mobile phone/device frequent pairing/connectivity issues.
    I’ve got a Fabia and there are pairing connectivity issues. In particular, sometimes the sound drops out on the satnav.
    I have a 2002 Fiesta and no problems with its bluetooth or satnav.

    The tape player works fine too.
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,205
    Floater said:

    Russia has 'proof' UK behind chemical attack
    Russia's defence ministry has said it has 'proof that testifies to the direct participation of Britain in the organising of this provocation in Eastern Ghouta'.

    Russian defence ministry spokesman Igor Konashenkov said the UK had told the White Helmets, who act as first responders in rebel-held areas, to fake the suspected chemical attack in the town of Douma.

    I am sure we will have the same level of scepticism expressed about this proof by Corbyn and his helpers on here and elsewhere as they’ve shown to the Government’s proof about Russian responsibility for the attack on the Skripals.

    Or perhaps not......
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    Anazina said:

    Anazina said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    Pulpstar said:

    TGOHF said:

    Jaguar Land Rover is to cut 1,000 jobs in the west Midlands, blaming a slump in car sales due to uncertainty over Brexit and the future of diesel vehicles.

    Britain’s biggest carmaker will cut 1,000 temporary contract workers at its plant in Solihull. The factory employs 10,000 workers, including 2,000 contract staff.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/apr/13/jaguar-land-rover-to-announce-1000-job-cuts-next-week?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

    That blame could be 1% Brexit and 99% because they make diesels....
    Professor of industry, David Bailey, from Aston University, said: "With the big turn against diesel engines, Jaguar Land Rover is particularly exposed as more than 90% of its UK sales are diesels.

    Given how unpopular diesels are, it's a bit like trying to sell a car with claims that it has been personally detailed by members of the FSB.
    Diesel cars are finished. Diesel buses and light vans wont be far behind.

    Uk : Oct 2015 diesel cars were 52% of new sales, now 32%.



    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/electric-buses-china-half-worlds-fleet-public-transport-renewable-energy-a8190651.html
    Managed to get 70 MPG on the work run this morning, am going to try and keep my diesel running for some years yet :)
    How many people will die as a result
    WON’T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN
    Brilliant how you trivialise an important issue. Diesel pollution is literally killing people. Yet you find the whole topic amusing.
    Labour- literally killing people since 1997
    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/oct/01/uk-government-wrong-to-subsidise-diesel-says-former-minister
    Yes, it was a major mistake. I wasn't making a partisan point (you were?) FWIW I am hardly an enthusiastic party wallah unlike many of the sycophantics on here.
    I'd say I'm partisan in that I don't find any of our current Parties particularly appealing!
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,005
    edited April 2018
    Anazina said:

    HYUFD said:

    Anazina said:

    HYUFD said:

    Anazina said:

    HYUFD said:

    Pulpstar said:

    HYUFD said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Always an intelligent line of argument, that, but one of the ground rules is that we abide by the terms of treaties into which we have entered. You may think signing up to the CWC was a mistake

    Have only ourselves, the US and France signed up to this ?
    Why do we have to play "global policeman" at every opportunity ?
    As ourselves, the US and France are the permanent Western representatives on the UN Security Council
    Ah Good, can you pass me to the passed security council vote/resolution on the matter ?
    Well as Russia will obviously veto it there won't be one.

    That does not change the fact the US, France and Iraq are the 3 largest western military powers and the 3 western powers with nuclear weapons and thus will lead any western military action in most cases
    Iraq? The fake news from you gets ever more audacious.
    I said most of the time.

    Apart from Iraq 2003, the US, UK and France were all involved in the Gulf War, the Afghanistan War, air strikes in Kosovo, air strikes on Libya and air strikes on ISIS as well as strikes on Assad to come
    "That does not change the fact the US, France and UK are the 3 largest western military powers"

    Iraq?
    Clearly you have not bothered to read a word I just wrote but as I pointed out beyond Iraq 2003 all 3 powers were involved in 5 out of 6 of the major western interventions since 1990 and will likely be involved together in action against Assad
    "That does not change the fact the US, France and ***IRAQ*** are the 3 largest western military powers"
    I said US, France and UK originally, you then effectively ceased your argument
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    Pulpstar said:

    TGOHF said:

    Jaguar Land Rover is to cut 1,000 jobs in the west Midlands, blaming a slump in car sales due to uncertainty over Brexit and the future of diesel vehicles.

    Britain’s biggest carmaker will cut 1,000 temporary contract workers at its plant in Solihull. The factory employs 10,000 workers, including 2,000 contract staff.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/apr/13/jaguar-land-rover-to-announce-1000-job-cuts-next-week?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

    That blame could be 1% Brexit and 99% because they make diesels....
    Professor of industry, David Bailey, from Aston University, said: "With the big turn against diesel engines, Jaguar Land Rover is particularly exposed as more than 90% of its UK sales are diesels.

    Given how unpopular diesels are, it's a bit like trying to sell a car with claims that it has been personally detailed by members of the FSB.
    Diesel cars are finished. Diesel buses and light vans wont be far behind.

    Uk : Oct 2015 diesel cars were 52% of new sales, now 32%.



    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/electric-buses-china-half-worlds-fleet-public-transport-renewable-energy-a8190651.html
    Managed to get 70 MPG on the work run this morning, am going to try and keep my diesel running for some years yet :)
    How many people will die as a result
    Ask Gordon Brown. I'm sure he must have the numbers on additional particuate deaths. He was the biggest proponent of ramping up diesel ownership by cutting the price as against unleaded.
    Don't worry - they had EU regulations covering emissions - not sure how we will cope after Brexit.
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    AnazinaAnazina Posts: 3,487
    edited April 2018
    HYUFD said:

    Anazina said:

    HYUFD said:

    Anazina said:

    HYUFD said:

    Anazina said:

    HYUFD said:

    Pulpstar said:

    HYUFD said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Always an intelligent line of argument, that, but one of the ground rules is that we abide by the terms of treaties into which we have entered. You may think signing up to the CWC was a mistake

    Have only ourselves, the US and France signed up to this ?
    Why do we have to play "global policeman" at every opportunity ?
    As ourselves, the US and France are the permanent Western representatives on the UN Security Council
    Ah Good, can you pass me to the passed security council vote/resolution on the matter ?
    Well as Russia will obviously veto it there won't be one.

    That does not change the fact the US, France and Iraq are the 3 largest western military powers and the 3 western powers with nuclear weapons and thus will lead any western military action in most cases
    Iraq? The fake news from you gets ever more audacious.
    I said most of the time.

    Apart from Iraq 2003, the US, UK and France were all involved in the Gulf War, the Afghanistan War, air strikes in Kosovo, air strikes on Libya and air strikes on ISIS as well as strikes on Assad to come
    "That does not change the fact the US, France and Iraq are the 3 largest western military powers"

    Iraq?
    Clearly you have not bothered to read a word I just wrote but as I pointed out beyond Iraq 2003 all 3 powers were involved in 5 out of 6 of the major western interventions since 1990 and will likely be involved together in action against Assad
    "That does not change the fact the US, France and ***IRAQ*** are the 3 largest western military powers"
    In terms of ability to deploy armed forces overseas, air and sea power, quality of special forces and possession of nuclear weapons and not being in the West Iraq is of course not one of the 3 largest western military powers
    An admission of an error? Has interface with the Epping electorate led to a more humble HYUFD??
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited April 2018

    Floater said:

    Who is that **** on Sky news - Peter something?

    Just turned on and find myself screaming at tv

    Floater said:

    Who is that **** on Sky news - Peter something?

    Just turned on and find myself screaming at tv

    Head of British Armed forces on Sky said it was more than possible a set up.They cut him off quick
    Former Head....no guesses for what the latest tweet / article from the Skwawkbox is...and of course "Dr" Eoin is still pushing all the conspiracy theories.
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    AnazinaAnazina Posts: 3,487

    Anazina said:

    Anazina said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    Pulpstar said:

    TGOHF said:

    Jaguar Land Rover is to cut 1,000 jobs in the west Midlands, blaming a slump in car sales due to uncertainty over Brexit and the future of diesel vehicles.

    Britain’s biggest carmaker will cut 1,000 temporary contract workers at its plant in Solihull. The factory employs 10,000 workers, including 2,000 contract staff.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/apr/13/jaguar-land-rover-to-announce-1000-job-cuts-next-week?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

    That blame could be 1% Brexit and 99% because they make diesels....
    Professor of industry, David Bailey, from Aston University, said: "With the big turn against diesel engines, Jaguar Land Rover is particularly exposed as more than 90% of its UK sales are diesels.

    Given how unpopular diesels are, it's a bit like trying to sell a car with claims that it has been personally detailed by members of the FSB.
    Diesel cars are finished. Diesel buses and light vans wont be far behind.

    Uk : Oct 2015 diesel cars were 52% of new sales, now 32%.



    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/electric-buses-china-half-worlds-fleet-public-transport-renewable-energy-a8190651.html
    Managed to get 70 MPG on the work run this morning, am going to try and keep my diesel running for some years yet :)
    How many people will die as a result
    WON’T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN
    Brilliant how you trivialise an important issue. Diesel pollution is literally killing people. Yet you find the whole topic amusing.
    Labour- literally killing people since 1997
    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/oct/01/uk-government-wrong-to-subsidise-diesel-says-former-minister
    Yes, it was a major mistake. I wasn't making a partisan point (you were?) FWIW I am hardly an enthusiastic party wallah unlike many of the sycophantics on here.
    I'd say I'm partisan in that I don't find any of our current Parties particularly appealing!
    Agreed!
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,005
    Anazina said:

    HYUFD said:

    Anazina said:

    HYUFD said:

    Anazina said:

    HYUFD said:

    Anazina said:

    HYUFD said:

    Pulpstar said:

    HYUFD said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Always an intelligent line of argument, that, but one of the ground rules is that we abide by the terms of treaties into which we have entered. You may think signing up to the CWC was a mistake

    Have only ourselves, the US and France signed up to this ?
    Why do we have to play "global policeman" at every opportunity ?
    As ourselves, the US and France are the permanent Western representatives on the UN Security Council
    Ah Good, can you pass me to the passed security council vote/resolution on the matter ?
    Well as Russia will obviously veto it there won't be one.

    That does not change the fact the US, France and Iraq are the 3 largest western military powers and the 3 western powers with nuclear weapons and thus will lead any western military action in most cases
    Iraq? The fake news from you gets ever more audacious.
    I said most of the time.

    Apart from Iraq 2003, the US, UK and France were all involved in the Gulf War, the Afghanistan War, air strikes in Kosovo, air strikes on Libya and air strikes on ISIS as well as strikes on Assad to come
    "That does not change the fact the US, France and UK are the 3 largest western military powers"

    Iraq?
    Clearly you have not bothered to read a word I just wrote but as I pointed out beyond Iraq 2003 all 3 powers were involved in 5 out of 6 of the major western interventions since 1990 and will likely be involved together in action against Assad
    "That does not change the fact the US, France and ***IRAQ*** are the 3 largest western military powers"
    In terms of ability to deploy armed forces overseas, air and sea power, quality of special forces and possession of nuclear weapons and not being in the West Iraq is of course not one of the 3 largest western military powers
    An admission of an error?
    If you want to accept that almost all western military interventions involve the UK, France and the USA fine
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,216
    Cyclefree said:

    Floater said:

    Russia has 'proof' UK behind chemical attack
    Russia's defence ministry has said it has 'proof that testifies to the direct participation of Britain in the organising of this provocation in Eastern Ghouta'.

    Russian defence ministry spokesman Igor Konashenkov said the UK had told the White Helmets, who act as first responders in rebel-held areas, to fake the suspected chemical attack in the town of Douma.

    I am sure we will have the same level of scepticism expressed about this proof by Corbyn and his helpers on here and elsewhere as they’ve shown to the Government’s proof about Russian responsibility for the attack on the Skripals.

    Or perhaps not......
    https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/984812315320217606
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,983
    Good afternoon, everyone.

    F1: my pre-qualifying ramble, including a tip, is up here: http://enormo-haddock.blogspot.co.uk/2018/04/china-pre-qualifying-2018.html

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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,848
    Cyclefree said:

    Foxy said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    The article quoted above is relevant to Philip Collins’ point. Owen Jones may not like it but the far left strand of thought which Corbyn represents provides a very fertile ground for anti-semitism to flourish. It is the Jew as blood-sucking capitalist oppressor strand which flourishes and is intimately linked to this far left view.
    It's a measure of Labour's problem with antisemitism and knee-jerk anti-UK/US attitudes that when Dianne Abbott gives WW2 as an example of a conflict where it was legitimate to use force, people feel able to joke "on which side?".
    We know that some of Corbyn’s advisors who have been Communists most of their life would have done what Communists did at the time, which was not to fight until 1941, having first allied themselves with the Nazis. So not that much of a joke to wonder on which side people like him and Seamus Milne who still admires Stalin and Corbyn who wanted the total rehabilitation of Trotsky and who has been writing for and reading the Morning star all his life would be. I cannot be certain that they would be on Britain’s side. And I am someone who does not think that Britain should automatically do whatever the US asks of us.
    A quarter of Labour Party members think the U.K. is a force for bad in this world.
    Well of course! That is Tory foreign policy for you.

    Under different management we need not be a force for bad. It is why we need change.
    In what way do you think Britain is a force for bad in the world?

    And do you think that allying us with Russia will make us a force for good?
    In general, I'd say that most wealthy democracies are a force for good, if only because they set an example that others can follow.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited April 2018

    Cyclefree said:

    Floater said:

    Russia has 'proof' UK behind chemical attack
    Russia's defence ministry has said it has 'proof that testifies to the direct participation of Britain in the organising of this provocation in Eastern Ghouta'.

    Russian defence ministry spokesman Igor Konashenkov said the UK had told the White Helmets, who act as first responders in rebel-held areas, to fake the suspected chemical attack in the town of Douma.

    I am sure we will have the same level of scepticism expressed about this proof by Corbyn and his helpers on here and elsewhere as they’ve shown to the Government’s proof about Russian responsibility for the attack on the Skripals.

    Or perhaps not......
    https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/984812315320217606
    This is the Fake News crap some people are reading and believing...

    https://twitter.com/christiancalgie/status/984808846559531008
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,860

    Floater said:

    Who is that **** on Sky news - Peter something?

    Just turned on and find myself screaming at tv

    Floater said:

    Who is that **** on Sky news - Peter something?

    Just turned on and find myself screaming at tv

    Head of British Armed forces on Sky said it was more than possible a set up.They cut him off quick
    Former Head....no guesses for what the latest tweet / article from the Skwawkbox is...and of course "Dr" Eoin is still pushing all the conspiracy theories.
    You on there again. I think you have a problem.
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    FF43FF43 Posts: 15,715
    Justified outrage from Iain Martin, although I think the target of his anger is wrong. It should be the government, not the Home Office. The issue is defined and historical. It requires legislation that I think should be simple. Government refusal to engage on this is stupid and callous.

    https://twitter.com/iainmartin1/status/984785250885750784
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited April 2018

    Floater said:

    Who is that **** on Sky news - Peter something?

    Just turned on and find myself screaming at tv

    Floater said:

    Who is that **** on Sky news - Peter something?

    Just turned on and find myself screaming at tv

    Head of British Armed forces on Sky said it was more than possible a set up.They cut him off quick
    Former Head....no guesses for what the latest tweet / article from the Skwawkbox is...and of course "Dr" Eoin is still pushing all the conspiracy theories.
    You on there again. I think you have a problem.
    I am not the one drinking the KoolAid, believing all their Alex Jones inspired conspiracy theories they pump out every day.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,848
    Floater said:

    Russia has 'proof' UK behind chemical attack
    Russia's defence ministry has said it has 'proof that testifies to the direct participation of Britain in the organising of this provocation in Eastern Ghouta'.

    Russian defence ministry spokesman Igor Konashenkov said the UK had told the White Helmets, who act as first responders in rebel-held areas, to fake the suspected chemical attack in the town of Douma.

    Have the Russians mentioned Finchley Road?
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    I have been doing some experiments looking at seats over time. In the US, they assign states a partisan lean based on comparing the national vote to the vote in that state. So if the Reps win nationally by 2% but by 20% in Alaska then Alaska is R+18. I've done a similar exercise where I have picked Lab-Con seats, which have had minimal boundary changes and looked at them over time.

    First 3 seats in the big cities that have seen a massive swing to Lab:

    Year Edmonton Leeds NE B. Edgbaston
    1992 L+7 C+1 C+3
    1997 L+17 L+2 C+3
    2001 L+19 L+9 L+3
    2005 L+20 L+10 L+3
    2010 L+31 L+17 L+10
    2015 L+44 L+22 L+14
    2017 L+50 L+34 L+18

    Next 3 seats that have swung the other way

    Year Cannock Harlow Newcastle-U-Lyme
    1992 L+11 L+3 L+26
    1997 L+15 L+9 L+22
    2001 L+18 L+4 L+17
    2005 L+18 C+3 L+17
    2010 Even C+4 L+11
    2015 C+4 C+12 L+9
    2017 C+16 C+14 L+2

    There are also have a few, which have hardly changed. Calder Valley looks like a good national bellweather

    Year Bedford Calder Valley
    1992 Even
    1997 L+4 C+2
    2001 L+6 C+2
    2005 L+5 Even
    2010 L+4 C+5
    2015 L+5 C+1
    2017 L+4 L+1

    Another seat that looks interesting is Chingford, which was rock solid during the Blair years but has swung rapidly to the Labour in the last 7 (apparently Labour voters from Hackney and Islington are moving in as the houses are cheaper)

    Chingford
    1997 C+26
    2001 C+24
    2005 C+25
    2010 C+23
    2015 C+12
    2017 C+3

    If the demographic changes continue then seats like Newcastle-U-L and Chingford could flip in 2022 even if there is a similar overall result to 2017.
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    Sean_F said:

    Floater said:

    Russia has 'proof' UK behind chemical attack
    Russia's defence ministry has said it has 'proof that testifies to the direct participation of Britain in the organising of this provocation in Eastern Ghouta'.

    Russian defence ministry spokesman Igor Konashenkov said the UK had told the White Helmets, who act as first responders in rebel-held areas, to fake the suspected chemical attack in the town of Douma.

    Have the Russians mentioned Finchley Road?
    LOL
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 31,990
    From the BBC East of England website
    A commuter who sued a train firm over delays has received compensation after a court threatened to send in bailiffs to seize its assets.

    Guy sent a claim to Greater Anglia; they ignored him. He went to the Small Claims Court; they told GA there would be a hearning. they didn’t turn up so the Court found for him. They ignored it, so they sent in the bailiffs.

    Result. GA paid his claim plus, of course, costs. Someone who deals with complaints at GA deserves a kicking, or their manager does.
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195

    Floater said:

    Who is that **** on Sky news - Peter something?

    Just turned on and find myself screaming at tv

    Floater said:

    Who is that **** on Sky news - Peter something?

    Just turned on and find myself screaming at tv

    Head of British Armed forces on Sky said it was more than possible a set up.They cut him off quick
    Peter something was not a former head of the armed forces

    The other guy said it was without doubt the Syrians

    He mentioned lots of other occurrences which "Peter" really didn't want to engage on
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    Bashar al-Assad must be met with a 'robust, united and steadfast response' following the suspected chemical weapons attack last week, France's ambassador to the UN has said.

    Francois Delattre told the Security Council the Syrian regime's use of chemical weapons had 'reached a point of no return' and that France 'will shoulder its responsibility to end an intolerable threat to our collective security'.
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,891
    So either bullshit from May and Trump or barefaced lying from the Russians. As the Russians have visited the site and are bound to be found out if they're lying-and as early as tomorrow-added to the painful truth that both the US and UK have form in dubious intelligence the odds are on egg on faces we'd rather not see it on.
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    Big John

    Do you think we set up the Syria chemical attack as Russia now claims

    You know the one they claim never happened.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,216

    I have been doing some experiments looking at seats over time. In the US, they assign states a partisan lean based on comparing the national vote to the vote in that state. So if the Reps win nationally by 2% but by 20% in Alaska then Alaska is R+18. I've done a similar exercise where I have picked Lab-Con seats, which have had minimal boundary changes and looked at them over time.

    First 3 seats in the big cities that have seen a massive swing to Lab:

    Year Edmonton Leeds NE B. Edgbaston
    1992 L+7 C+1 C+3
    1997 L+17 L+2 C+3
    2001 L+19 L+9 L+3
    2005 L+20 L+10 L+3
    2010 L+31 L+17 L+10
    2015 L+44 L+22 L+14
    2017 L+50 L+34 L+18

    Next 3 seats that have swung the other way

    Year Cannock Harlow Newcastle-U-Lyme
    1992 L+11 L+3 L+26
    1997 L+15 L+9 L+22
    2001 L+18 L+4 L+17
    2005 L+18 C+3 L+17
    2010 Even C+4 L+11
    2015 C+4 C+12 L+9
    2017 C+16 C+14 L+2

    There are also have a few, which have hardly changed. Calder Valley looks like a good national bellweather

    Year Bedford Calder Valley
    1992 Even
    1997 L+4 C+2
    2001 L+6 C+2
    2005 L+5 Even
    2010 L+4 C+5
    2015 L+5 C+1
    2017 L+4 L+1

    Another seat that looks interesting is Chingford, which was rock solid during the Blair years but has swung rapidly to the Labour in the last 7 (apparently Labour voters from Hackney and Islington are moving in as the houses are cheaper)

    Chingford
    1997 C+26
    2001 C+24
    2005 C+25
    2010 C+23
    2015 C+12
    2017 C+3

    If the demographic changes continue then seats like Newcastle-U-L and Chingford could flip in 2022 even if there is a similar overall result to 2017.

    Interesting. Thanks.

    Can you explain the win nationally bit though? e.g. Labour were -2% off winning in 2017 (give or take), so is the Edmonton +50 actually showing -2 + 52 = +50?
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    Roger said:

    So either bullshit from May and Trump or barefaced lying from the Russians. As the Russians have visited the site and are bound to be found out if they're lying-and as early as tomorrow-added to the painful truth that both the US and UK have form in dubious intelligence the odds are on egg on faces we'd rather not see it on.

    Really Roger

    Russia has no form?

    Please engage brain before typing
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    volcanopetevolcanopete Posts: 2,078

    From the BBC East of England website
    A commuter who sued a train firm over delays has received compensation after a court threatened to send in bailiffs to seize its assets.

    Guy sent a claim to Greater Anglia; they ignored him. He went to the Small Claims Court; they told GA there would be a hearning. they didn’t turn up so the Court found for him. They ignored it, so they sent in the bailiffs.

    Result. GA paid his claim plus, of course, costs. Someone who deals with complaints at GA deserves a kicking, or their manager does.

    write to Abelio's owners,address,Tweede Kamer,Netherlands.
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    Roger said:

    So either bullshit from May and Trump or barefaced lying from the Russians. As the Russians have visited the site and are bound to be found out if they're lying-and as early as tomorrow-added to the painful truth that both the US and UK have form in dubious intelligence the odds are on egg on faces we'd rather not see it on.

    How odd that you didn't mention Macron.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,983
    Mr. Roger, the Russians have had control of the site for some time. Be interesting to see if they've left anything there.

    Got to say, I'm liking the BBC's coverage of Russia far more than Sky or ITV. Sky, around lunchtime, was leading with 'Corbyn laying into the Government over Syria [waiting for Donald Trump's instructions or suchlike]'. The BBC led with the situation and how it might develop rather than trotting out the useful idiot's spin lines.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited April 2018
    Will they actually give Jezza the real stuff? And if they do will they have to explain it REALLLLLY REALLLLLY SLOOOOOOWWWWLLYYY to him?

    Wouldn't surprise me if a few pages accidentally got missed out when they were doing the photocopying.
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,860
    Floater said:

    Big John

    Do you think we set up the Syria chemical attack as Russia now claims

    You know the one they claim never happened.

    I do think it's possible.

    Why do you think this fmr head of British Armed Forces is wrong to raise the possibility
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    Jeremy Corbyn demands US and Russia 'stop blocking each other' at UN to end Syria deadlock

    https://news.sky.com/story/jeremy-corbyn-demands-us-and-russia-stop-blocking-each-other-at-un-to-end-syria-deadlock-11329083
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited April 2018

    Floater said:

    Big John

    Do you think we set up the Syria chemical attack as Russia now claims

    You know the one they claim never happened.

    I do think it's possible.

    Why do you think this fmr head of British Armed Forces is wrong to raise the possibility
    I believe you are on the wrong site, PrisonPlanet might be more for your tastes.
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,860
    Sean_F said:

    Floater said:

    Russia has 'proof' UK behind chemical attack
    Russia's defence ministry has said it has 'proof that testifies to the direct participation of Britain in the organising of this provocation in Eastern Ghouta'.

    Russian defence ministry spokesman Igor Konashenkov said the UK had told the White Helmets, who act as first responders in rebel-held areas, to fake the suspected chemical attack in the town of Douma.

    Have the Russians mentioned Finchley Road?
    Has Jeremy Hunt
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,629

    I have been doing some experiments looking at seats over time. In the US, they assign states a partisan lean based on comparing the national vote to the vote in that state. So if the Reps win nationally by 2% but by 20% in Alaska then Alaska is R+18. I've done a similar exercise where I have picked Lab-Con seats, which have had minimal boundary changes and looked at them over time.

    First 3 seats in the big cities that have seen a massive swing to Lab:

    Year Edmonton Leeds NE B. Edgbaston
    1992 L+7 C+1 C+3
    1997 L+17 L+2 C+3
    2001 L+19 L+9 L+3
    2005 L+20 L+10 L+3
    2010 L+31 L+17 L+10
    2015 L+44 L+22 L+14
    2017 L+50 L+34 L+18

    Next 3 seats that have swung the other way

    Year Cannock Harlow Newcastle-U-Lyme
    1992 L+11 L+3 L+26
    1997 L+15 L+9 L+22
    2001 L+18 L+4 L+17
    2005 L+18 C+3 L+17
    2010 Even C+4 L+11
    2015 C+4 C+12 L+9
    2017 C+16 C+14 L+2

    There are also have a few, which have hardly changed. Calder Valley looks like a good national bellweather

    Year Bedford Calder Valley
    1992 Even
    1997 L+4 C+2
    2001 L+6 C+2
    2005 L+5 Even
    2010 L+4 C+5
    2015 L+5 C+1
    2017 L+4 L+1

    Another seat that looks interesting is Chingford, which was rock solid during the Blair years but has swung rapidly to the Labour in the last 7 (apparently Labour voters from Hackney and Islington are moving in as the houses are cheaper)

    Chingford
    1997 C+26
    2001 C+24
    2005 C+25
    2010 C+23
    2015 C+12
    2017 C+3

    If the demographic changes continue then seats like Newcastle-U-L and Chingford could flip in 2022 even if there is a similar overall result to 2017.

    Great analysis! It would be great to see in spreadsheet form, thouhh as next election is on different boundaries possibly shortly obselete.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,897
    Corbyn will still agree with Moscow that MI6 did it, and that the British are just briefing him the “official version” to cover their own tracks.
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    Roger said:

    So either bullshit from May and Trump or barefaced lying from the Russians. As the Russians have visited the site and are bound to be found out if they're lying-and as early as tomorrow-added to the painful truth that both the US and UK have form in dubious intelligence the odds are on egg on faces we'd rather not see it on.

    How odd that you didn't mention Macron.
    Our Rog only hates the English-unless they live in London or the EU.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited April 2018
    This is extremely worrying,

    Google loses 'right to be forgotten' case

    A businessman fighting for the "right to be forgotten" has won a UK High Court action against Google.

    The man, who has not been named due to reporting restrictions surrounding the case, wanted search results about a past crime he had committed removed from the search engine. The judge, Mr Justice Mark Warby, ruled in his favour on Friday.

    But he rejected a separate claim made by another businessman who had committed a more serious crime.

    The businessman who won his case was convicted 10 years ago of conspiring to intercept communications. He spent six months in jail.

    The other businessman, who lost his case, was convicted more than 10 years ago of conspiring to account falsely. He spent four years in jail.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-43752344
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,388
    Foxy said:

    I have been doing some experiments looking at seats over time. In the US, they assign states a partisan lean based on comparing the national vote to the vote in that state. So if the Reps win nationally by 2% but by 20% in Alaska then Alaska is R+18. I've done a similar exercise where I have picked Lab-Con seats, which have had minimal boundary changes and looked at them over time.

    First 3 seats in the big cities that have seen a massive swing to Lab:

    Year Edmonton Leeds NE B. Edgbaston
    1992 L+7 C+1 C+3
    1997 L+17 L+2 C+3
    2001 L+19 L+9 L+3
    2005 L+20 L+10 L+3
    2010 L+31 L+17 L+10
    2015 L+44 L+22 L+14
    2017 L+50 L+34 L+18

    Next 3 seats that have swung the other way

    Year Cannock Harlow Newcastle-U-Lyme
    1992 L+11 L+3 L+26
    1997 L+15 L+9 L+22
    2001 L+18 L+4 L+17
    2005 L+18 C+3 L+17
    2010 Even C+4 L+11
    2015 C+4 C+12 L+9
    2017 C+16 C+14 L+2

    There are also have a few, which have hardly changed. Calder Valley looks like a good national bellweather

    Year Bedford Calder Valley
    1992 Even
    1997 L+4 C+2
    2001 L+6 C+2
    2005 L+5 Even
    2010 L+4 C+5
    2015 L+5 C+1
    2017 L+4 L+1

    Another seat that looks interesting is Chingford, which was rock solid during the Blair years but has swung rapidly to the Labour in the last 7 (apparently Labour voters from Hackney and Islington are moving in as the houses are cheaper)

    Chingford
    1997 C+26
    2001 C+24
    2005 C+25
    2010 C+23
    2015 C+12
    2017 C+3

    If the demographic changes continue then seats like Newcastle-U-L and Chingford could flip in 2022 even if there is a similar overall result to 2017.

    Great analysis! It would be great to see in spreadsheet form, thouhh as next election is on different boundaries possibly shortly obselete.
    Gareth it sounds as if you did this fairly manually.

    I will have a look if it could be done for all seats (boundary changes will be a problem though).
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    Sandpit said:

    Corbyn will still agree with Moscow that MI6 did it, and that the British are just briefing him the “official version” to cover their own tracks.
    They could show him a video of Putin briefing the agent in his office, then the same agent appearing on cctv laying the nerve agent and Jezza would claim it was a mis-translation and the agent wasn't actually delivering the nerve agent, he was checking to see what the British secret agents had planted.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,629
    FF43 said:

    Justified outrage from Iain Martin, although I think the target of his anger is wrong. It should be the government, not the Home Office. The issue is defined and historical. It requires legislation that I think should be simple. Government refusal to engage on this is stupid and callous.

    https://twitter.com/iainmartin1/status/984785250885750784

    Outrageous.

    Enoch would have loved the "If they're Black, send them back" approach, but I would have thought that even this Tory government would be ashamed.
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,891
    edited April 2018
    Floater said:

    Roger said:

    So either bullshit from May and Trump or barefaced lying from the Russians. As the Russians have visited the site and are bound to be found out if they're lying-and as early as tomorrow-added to the painful truth that both the US and UK have form in dubious intelligence the odds are on egg on faces we'd rather not see it on.

    Really Roger

    Russia has no form?

    Please engage brain before typing
    Having engaged brain I ask myself in whose interest would it be to enrage the most powerful nations on earth for no gain whatsoever? And the uncomfortable truth is that the only gainers are the rebels who get the Western powers to bomb Assad.

    It's just as simple as that.

    Oh yes and they've also got form.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,629
    Sandpit said:

    Corbyn will still agree with Moscow that MI6 did it, and that the British are just briefing him the “official version” to cover their own tracks.
    Hang on!

    Jezza has merely been unconvinced who did it, not attributed it to Mi6!

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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited April 2018
    Corbyn STILL won't say he believes Assad is behind chemical atrocity and refuses to rule out Russian claims that the attack was STAGED

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5612915/Corbyn-wont-say-believes-Assad-chemical-atrocity.html

    It really is like something out of InfoWars. And just like the Trump / Russian bots, twitter is flooded with Corbyn outriders acting as useful idiots spreading all the conspiracy theories.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,897

    This is extremely worrying,

    Google loses 'right to be forgotten' case

    A businessman fighting for the "right to be forgotten" has won a UK High Court action against Google.

    The man, who has not been named due to reporting restrictions surrounding the case, wanted search results about a past crime he had committed removed from the search engine. The judge, Mr Justice Mark Warby, ruled in his favour on Friday.

    But he rejected a separate claim made by another businessman who had committed a more serious crime.

    The businessman who won his case was convicted 10 years ago of conspiring to intercept communications. He spent six months in jail.

    The other businessman, who lost his case, was convicted more than 10 years ago of conspiring to account falsely. He spent four years in jail.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-43752344

    Just been reading about this one, there’s older reports on the case around from before the reporting restrictions. The key to the successful appeal is that his conviction is legally spent under the rehabilitation of offenders act, whereas that doesn’t apply to the more serious conviction. Quite difficult to work out where to draw the line in an age of ubiquitous availability of information, don’t envy those judges and policy makers charged with making sense of it all.
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,388
    Foxy said:

    FF43 said:

    Justified outrage from Iain Martin, although I think the target of his anger is wrong. It should be the government, not the Home Office. The issue is defined and historical. It requires legislation that I think should be simple. Government refusal to engage on this is stupid and callous.

    https://twitter.com/iainmartin1/status/984785250885750784

    Outrageous.

    Enoch would have loved the "If they're Black, send them back" approach, but I would have thought that even this Tory government would be ashamed.
    This is a complete f*** up.

    Like Mr Corbyn on Syria, we are effectively holding people to an evidential - not a legal - status they can't hope to attain.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,848

    Corbyn STILL won't say he believes Assad is behind chemical atrocity and refuses to rule out Russian claims that the attack was STAGED

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5612915/Corbyn-wont-say-believes-Assad-chemical-atrocity.html

    It really is like something out of InfoWars.

    No doubt he thinks Mossad did it.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,897
    Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    Corbyn will still agree with Moscow that MI6 did it, and that the British are just briefing him the “official version” to cover their own tracks.
    Hang on!

    Jezza has merely been unconvinced who did it, not attributed it to Mi6!

    I didn’t say Jeremy had said it was the British, I said that Moscow said it was the British - and that Jeremy has a habit of agreeing with Moscow...
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited April 2018
    Sean_F said:

    Corbyn STILL won't say he believes Assad is behind chemical atrocity and refuses to rule out Russian claims that the attack was STAGED

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5612915/Corbyn-wont-say-believes-Assad-chemical-atrocity.html

    It really is like something out of InfoWars.

    No doubt he thinks Mossad did it.
    Its the deep state, global elite, bilderberg, Illuminati....
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    AndrewAndrew Posts: 2,900


    Its the deep state, global elite, bilderberg, Illuminati....

    Now that's just silly.

    Everyone knows it was the lizards.
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    ElliotElliot Posts: 1,516

    Foxy said:

    FF43 said:

    Justified outrage from Iain Martin, although I think the target of his anger is wrong. It should be the government, not the Home Office. The issue is defined and historical. It requires legislation that I think should be simple. Government refusal to engage on this is stupid and callous.

    https://twitter.com/iainmartin1/status/984785250885750784

    Outrageous.

    Enoch would have loved the "If they're Black, send them back" approach, but I would have thought that even this Tory government would be ashamed.
    This is a complete f*** up.

    Like Mr Corbyn on Syria, we are effectively holding people to an evidential - not a legal - status they can't hope to attain.
    If you've been in the country a decade and there's no evidence you came illegally, you should automatically be given a UK passport.
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    ElliotElliot Posts: 1,516
    edited April 2018
    Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    Corbyn will still agree with Moscow that MI6 did it, and that the British are just briefing him the “official version” to cover their own tracks.
    Hang on!

    Jezza has merely been unconvinced who did it, not attributed it to Mi6!

    Corbyn will never be convinced of any crimes of Russia and her allies as long as the Kremlin does not admit to it.

    On the other hand, he will declare UK politiicans war criminals based on thin evidence.
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    TomsToms Posts: 2,478
    RoyalBlue said:

    Pulpstar said:

    TGOHF said:

    Jaguar Land Rover is to cut 1,000 jobs in the west Midlands, blaming a slump in car sales due to uncertainty over Brexit and the future of diesel vehicles.

    Britain’s biggest carmaker will cut 1,000 temporary contract workers at its plant in Solihull. The factory employs 10,000 workers, including 2,000 contract staff.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/apr/13/jaguar-land-rover-to-announce-1000-job-cuts-next-week?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

    That blame could be 1% Brexit and 99% because they make diesels....
    Professor of industry, David Bailey, from Aston University, said: "With the big turn against diesel engines, Jaguar Land Rover is particularly exposed as more than 90% of its UK sales are diesels.

    Given how unpopular diesels are, it's a bit like trying to sell a car with claims that it has been personally detailed by members of the FSB.
    Diesel cars are finished. Diesel buses and light vans wont be far behind.

    Uk : Oct 2015 diesel cars were 52% of new sales, now 32%.



    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/electric-buses-china-half-worlds-fleet-public-transport-renewable-energy-a8190651.html
    Managed to get 70 MPG on the work run this morning, am going to try and keep my diesel running for some years yet :)
    How many people will die as a result
    WON’T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN
    It's the thinking that's the hard bit.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,125
    A day full of ironies. Labour adamant we shouldn't be going in to Syria to protest the chemical weapons attack, when their policy on promoting diesel vehicles released such a tonnage of chemicals into our ow atmosphere that it makes the death toll in Syria look puny.

    And the same Jew-hating Party getting all excited about the fiftieth anniversary of Powell's "Rivers of Blood" speech....
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,302

    A day full of ironies. Labour adamant we shouldn't be going in to Syria to protest the chemical weapons attack, when their policy on promoting diesel vehicles released such a tonnage of chemicals into our ow atmosphere that it makes the death toll in Syria look puny.

    And the same Jew-hating Party getting all excited about the fiftieth anniversary of Powell's "Rivers of Blood" speech....
    Windrush/recent immigrants = weak/need saving
    Jews = strong/oppressors of the people.
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    I have been doing some experiments looking at seats over time. In the US, they assign states a partisan lean based on comparing the national vote to the vote in that state. So if the Reps win nationally by 2% but by 20% in Alaska then Alaska is R+18. I've done a similar exercise where I have picked Lab-Con seats, which have had minimal boundary changes and looked at them over time.

    First 3 seats in the big cities that have seen a massive swing to Lab:

    Year Edmonton Leeds NE B. Edgbaston
    1992 L+7 C+1 C+3
    1997 L+17 L+2 C+3
    2001 L+19 L+9 L+3
    2005 L+20 L+10 L+3
    2010 L+31 L+17 L+10
    2015 L+44 L+22 L+14
    2017 L+50 L+34 L+18

    Next 3 seats that have swung the other way

    Year Cannock Harlow Newcastle-U-Lyme
    1992 L+11 L+3 L+26
    1997 L+15 L+9 L+22
    2001 L+18 L+4 L+17
    2005 L+18 C+3 L+17
    2010 Even C+4 L+11
    2015 C+4 C+12 L+9
    2017 C+16 C+14 L+2

    There are also have a few, which have hardly changed. Calder Valley looks like a good national bellweather

    Year Bedford Calder Valley
    1992 Even
    1997 L+4 C+2
    2001 L+6 C+2
    2005 L+5 Even
    2010 L+4 C+5
    2015 L+5 C+1
    2017 L+4 L+1

    Another seat that looks interesting is Chingford, which was rock solid during the Blair years but has swung rapidly to the Labour in the last 7 (apparently Labour voters from Hackney and Islington are moving in as the houses are cheaper)

    Chingford
    1997 C+26
    2001 C+24
    2005 C+25
    2010 C+23
    2015 C+12
    2017 C+3

    If the demographic changes continue then seats like Newcastle-U-L and Chingford could flip in 2022 even if there is a similar overall result to 2017.

    Interesting. Thanks.

    Can you explain the win nationally bit though? e.g. Labour were -2% off winning in 2017 (give or take), so is the Edmonton +50 actually showing -2 + 52 = +50?
    Labour were 48% ahead of Con in Edmonton and 2% behind nationally so Edmonton is 50 percentage points more Labour than the nation
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    Foxy said:

    I have been doing some experiments looking at seats over time. In the US, they assign states a partisan lean based on comparing the national vote to the vote in that state. So if the Reps win nationally by 2% but by 20% in Alaska then Alaska is R+18. I've done a similar exercise where I have picked Lab-Con seats, which have had minimal boundary changes and looked at them over time.

    First 3 seats in the big cities that have seen a massive swing to Lab:

    Year Edmonton Leeds NE B. Edgbaston
    1992 L+7 C+1 C+3
    1997 L+17 L+2 C+3
    2001 L+19 L+9 L+3
    2005 L+20 L+10 L+3
    2010 L+31 L+17 L+10
    2015 L+44 L+22 L+14
    2017 L+50 L+34 L+18

    Next 3 seats that have swung the other way

    Year Cannock Harlow Newcastle-U-Lyme
    1992 L+11 L+3 L+26
    1997 L+15 L+9 L+22
    2001 L+18 L+4 L+17
    2005 L+18 C+3 L+17
    2010 Even C+4 L+11
    2015 C+4 C+12 L+9
    2017 C+16 C+14 L+2

    There are also have a few, which have hardly changed. Calder Valley looks like a good national bellweather

    Year Bedford Calder Valley
    1992 Even
    1997 L+4 C+2
    2001 L+6 C+2
    2005 L+5 Even
    2010 L+4 C+5
    2015 L+5 C+1
    2017 L+4 L+1

    Another seat that looks interesting is Chingford, which was rock solid during the Blair years but has swung rapidly to the Labour in the last 7 (apparently Labour voters from Hackney and Islington are moving in as the houses are cheaper)

    Chingford
    1997 C+26
    2001 C+24
    2005 C+25
    2010 C+23
    2015 C+12
    2017 C+3

    If the demographic changes continue then seats like Newcastle-U-L and Chingford could flip in 2022 even if there is a similar overall result to 2017.

    Great analysis! It would be great to see in spreadsheet form, thouhh as next election is on different boundaries possibly shortly obselete.
    I'm still experimenting at the moment. It might be possible to take the boundary changes into account. For example, Newcastle-U-L is currently L+2. The boundary changes are expected to flip it to Con and make it C+3. If demographic change continues at the same rate then that would make it C+8 by 2022. So In that case the Cons could win the seat even if they were 7 points behind nationally.
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    glwglw Posts: 9,549
    Roger said:

    So either bullshit from May and Trump or barefaced lying from the Russians. As the Russians have visited the site and are bound to be found out if they're lying-and as early as tomorrow-added to the painful truth that both the US and UK have form in dubious intelligence the odds are on egg on faces we'd rather not see it on.

    I hope for your sake that you are making a very poor joke.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,125
    Elliot said:

    Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    Corbyn will still agree with Moscow that MI6 did it, and that the British are just briefing him the “official version” to cover their own tracks.
    Hang on!

    Jezza has merely been unconvinced who did it, not attributed it to Mi6!

    Corbyn will never be convinced of any crimes of Russia and her allies as long as the Kremlin does not admit to it.

    On the other hand, he will declare UK politiicans war criminals based on thin evidence.
    Make the attendance at the 2018 World Cup of the following [x] signatories conditional upon Russia admitting unambiguous responsibility for

    a) the Novichok poisoning in Salisbury and

    b) complicity with the Assad regime in chemical weapons attacks in Syria....

    See which way Corbyn goes then.
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