FPT for TSE. France will probably beat Belgium. See my post early in that thread for Golden Boot and Golden Ball betting.
Full confession time, I have a huge red if England win the world cup, but if the other three win it, they'll I'll be green.
I'm green on all but should have had more on Belgium but could not get on Betfair when they went behind to Japan. England is 11/4 outright so you can still balance things out. On all known form we should beat Croatia and lose in the final. Upsets happen often but you seem to be relying on England's upset being in tomorrow's match and not Sunday's.
France: Ipsos poll records lowest value for centre-left PS (S&D) ever recorded since its foundation at the beginning of the 1900s. Poll for European Parliament elex says party would get 4%. #France will be left without any S&D rep in European Parliament according to poll. #EP2019"
FPT Morning Malc - thanks for your comments and I hope you are well and enjoying the weather. Was in Gods own Country two weeks ago and return in 10 days for another week. Hi G, been amazing , at least 6 weeks since we have had rain. Hope it holds for your return. Hope you and family are all well.
Yes we are apart from my strained (and painful) hamstrings from overexertion on our cruise and 1200 miles static behind the wheel driving upto Lossiemouth and back
You don't often see overexertion and cruise in the same sentence...
Can a Tory leader stand down voluntarily (i.e. no 48 letters) and subject themselves to a leadership election in which they stand?
On what planet would May want to subject herself to a vote of the members? Would be worth watching her try to sell this crap beyond the parliamentary party.
Can a Tory leader stand down voluntarily (i.e. no 48 letters) and subject themselves to a leadership election in which they stand?
Even if you couldn't, you just get your mates to write the letters.
No, for the letters trigger a No Conf vote, and the rules are that if this is lost you can't stand in the subsequent leadership election. My Q is whether the rules prevent a leader resigning and restanding (a la Major), sidestepping the NOC and the restanding restriction?
I suspect Farage will be one a "Brexit Should Mean Brexit" platform... They'll probably use it on billboards all over the country.
Perhaps if the Hard Brexiteers could hole themselves up in a country house somewhere and produce a coherent plan we'd have something to compare with Chequers. A Cliveden Brexit perhaps?
I told you I would keep calling you out on this lie. No matter how many times you repeat it, it is still a lie. The Hard Brexit plan is CETA plus, always has been.
But in order to deny the fact that this means an Irish sea border you interpret CETA in a way that in entirely different to what the EU is willing to offer so it's not realistic.
Standard CETA, with 100% tariff free and no quotas. MaxFac to deal with NI border. Take it or leave it - and they would take it. In a second.
In that case doesn't that make DD the most incompetent buffoon in world negotiating history? He could have saved us all this trouble and his own job with a single utterance.
You have zero idea what is going on, don't you. DD was on the record as saying this is what he wanted. Steve Baker came out and said the same thing yesterday.
The REMAINERS didn't want it so they agreed to the NI backstop to scupper it.
He’s really stepped up his game. He knows May absolutely needs him now and he can do what he thinks best.
One presumes he has no leadership ambitions of his own. Past conspicuous disloyalty is not the best way of drawing loyalty out of others in the future when it is needed.
Is this the first time a Tory MP has made either the fact or the form of such a letter public?
From Andrew Bridgen's recent utterances I had assumed that he had sent such a letter some time ago. Has he, perhaps, sent an updated version for the sake of some publicity, or are we to suppose that this could be the first such letter that Graham Brady has received?
Is this the first time a Tory MP has made either the fact or the form of such a letter public?
From Andrew Bridgen's recent utterances I had assumed that he had sent such a letter some time ago. Has he, perhaps, sent an updated version for the sake of some publicity, or are we to suppose that this could be the first such letter that Graham Brady has received?
I'd be surprised if Andrea Jenkyns didn't have one in too.
Reflecting on yesterday, I think May way be in a marginally better position than she was on Friday.
She was never going to have the votes for her tawdry little compromise in Parliament without Labour support *anyway*, and the EU was always going to demand many more compromises, so the Brexiteer convulsions yesterday haven't really changed the political fundamentals of May's awful position.
She has, however, seen off the toxic little shitheel that is Boris Johnson, so I could see her viewing yesterday as a good day.
Access could mean access via WTO rules, so an utterly meaningless question.
I presume that the purpose of the qualifier "full" was to make a distinction between our current level of access and a partial level of access obtainable via WTO rules, or some sort of FTA.
You can see why JohnO, a very loyal and calm Tory of many years standing, absolutely loathes Andrew Bridgen can't you, and you views him as the shitest of all Tory MPs.
I have a rather chilling feeling that Trump's actions on NATO are Putin's end game. That the kompromat exists and the US withdrawal from NATO is its primary purpose.
If I lived in a Baltic State I'd be packing my bags.
[I may look back on this as an aberrant tin-foil moment. I hope I do.]
Is this the first time a Tory MP has made either the fact or the form of such a letter public?
From Andrew Bridgen's recent utterances I had assumed that he had sent such a letter some time ago. Has he, perhaps, sent an updated version for the sake of some publicity, or are we to suppose that this could be the first such letter that Graham Brady has received?
I'd be surprised if Andrea Jenkyns didn't have one in too.
Access could mean access via WTO rules, so an utterly meaningless question.
I presume that the purpose of the qualifier "full" was to make a distinction between our current level of access and a partial level of access obtainable via WTO rules, or some sort of FTA.
They could have used 'membership' of the SM market if they wanted to ask that.
We have full access to the SM under WTO rules, because we can sell any goods that we wish to Europe on the same basis as anyone else within the EU.
He’s really stepped up his game. He knows May absolutely needs him now and he can do what he thinks best.
One presumes he has no leadership ambitions of his own. Past conspicuous disloyalty is not the best way of drawing loyalty out of others in the future when it is needed.
Do you think that he is being disloyal? He has conspicuously backed May. He has also sought to make her government more successful by correcting her (and Cameron’s ) mistakes. Windrush, staff for the NHS, emphasising how welcoming the U.K. will be to entrepreneurs post Brexit, and all without really rubbing May’s face in it. Students next.
He’s really stepped up his game. He knows May absolutely needs him now and he can do what he thinks best.
Since everyone in the government and business wants more immigration, it would be remarkable if no fudge can be found for FOM.
For fudge, you mean lie, right?
The EU wants FOM. We want to take back control but not actually to limit immigration. Look at non-EU immigration under Theresa May when she was Home Secretary for six years! Ample room for fudge. FOM is angels on the head of a pin stuff.
Yet so inept are our political classes that this is what threatens our prosperity inside or outside the EU. It's like arguing about tariffs on dilithium crystals.
Can a Tory leader stand down voluntarily (i.e. no 48 letters) and subject themselves to a leadership election in which they stand?
Even if you couldn't, you just get your mates to write the letters.
No, for the letters trigger a No Conf vote, and the rules are that if this is lost you can't stand in the subsequent leadership election. My Q is whether the rules prevent a leader resigning and restanding (a la Major), sidestepping the NOC and the restanding restriction?
A leader resigning is NOT eligible to be re-nominated in the subsequent leadership election
Is this the first time a Tory MP has made either the fact or the form of such a letter public?
From Andrew Bridgen's recent utterances I had assumed that he had sent such a letter some time ago. Has he, perhaps, sent an updated version for the sake of some publicity, or are we to suppose that this could be the first such letter that Graham Brady has received?
You can see why JohnO, a very loyal and calm Tory of many years standing, absolutely loathes Andrew Bridgen can't you, and you views him as the shitest of all Tory MPs.
Well, he's out performed the Tories in terms of swing from Labour to the Tories at the last three GEs.
Bit cheap of him releasing it to the media. What a rotter!
May releases people's resignations without notice - she has no right to expect any courtesies or niceties from political opponents
Boris was planning on resigning during Mrs May's statement to the Commons.
She was quite right in trying to stop him destabilising the government.
Nonsense - the release was scheduled for 6pm - if he was trying to do it whilst she was on her feet in the house, he would not have given number 10 advance notice.
They were formally told, they didn't guess he'd resigned.
He’s really stepped up his game. He knows May absolutely needs him now and he can do what he thinks best.
One presumes he has no leadership ambitions of his own. Past conspicuous disloyalty is not the best way of drawing loyalty out of others in the future when it is needed.
Do you think that he is being disloyal? He has conspicuously backed May. He has also sought to make her government more successful by correcting her (and Cameron’s ) mistakes. Windrush, staff for the NHS, emphasising how welcoming the U.K. will be to entrepreneurs post Brexit, and all without really rubbing May’s face in it. Students next.
You don't think he's advertising his disagreement with his boss there?
I have a rather chilling feeling that Trump's actions on NATO are Putin's end game. That the kompromat exists and the US withdrawal from NATO is its primary purpose.
If I lived in a Baltic State I'd be packing my bags.
[I may look back on this as an aberrant tin-foil moment. I hope I do.]
If the other members of NATO hold their nerve, spend a lot of money and pull their fingers out they can stand together against Russia without the US.
Can a Tory leader stand down voluntarily (i.e. no 48 letters) and subject themselves to a leadership election in which they stand?
Even if you couldn't, you just get your mates to write the letters.
No, for the letters trigger a No Conf vote, and the rules are that if this is lost you can't stand in the subsequent leadership election. My Q is whether the rules prevent a leader resigning and restanding (a la Major), sidestepping the NOC and the restanding restriction?
A leader resigning is NOT eligable to be re-nominated in the subsequent leadership election
There's an obvious loophole though, which is that May doesn't resign, but gets her supporters to write to Brady and trigger a vote of confidence for her. Maybe that's a good idea? Clear the air, see off the Mogglodytes.
However, that won't work because the Mogglodytes may only be a minor faction in the commons, they're everywhere in activistland. May can't destroy them.
He’s really stepped up his game. He knows May absolutely needs him now and he can do what he thinks best.
Well, you can't have a net migration target when you are maintaining FOM.
I am less than thrilled with the Chequers package but I don’t see that. What we need is an immigration policy relevant to the U.K. That will involve seeking to entice the best, people we need, people we can sell things to such as education and those capable of investing in this country. Whether those combined needs amount to more than current targets or less will depend on how the economy is doing at any particular time.
He’s really stepped up his game. He knows May absolutely needs him now and he can do what he thinks best.
Since everyone in the government and business wants more immigration, it would be remarkable if no fudge can be found for FOM.
For fudge, you mean lie, right?
The EU wants FOM. We want to take back control but not actually to limit immigration. Look at non-EU immigration under Theresa May when she was Home Secretary for six years! Ample room for fudge. FOM is angels on the head of a pin stuff.
Yet so inept are our political classes that this is what threatens our prosperity inside or outside the EU. It's like arguing about tariffs on dilithium crystals.
Well, the people voted to take back control BECAUSE they wanted to limit immigration. But if the political classes don't agree, who cares?
I suspect Farage will be one a "Brexit Should Mean Brexit" platform... They'll probably use it on billboards all over the country.
Perhaps if the Hard Brexiteers could hole themselves up in a country house somewhere and produce a coherent plan we'd have something to compare with Chequers. A Cliveden Brexit perhaps?
Perhaps the fictional Darlington Hall may be more apt?
He’s really stepped up his game. He knows May absolutely needs him now and he can do what he thinks best.
Since everyone in the government and business wants more immigration, it would be remarkable if no fudge can be found for FOM.
For fudge, you mean lie, right?
The EU wants FOM. We want to take back control but not actually to limit immigration. Look at non-EU immigration under Theresa May when she was Home Secretary for six years! Ample room for fudge. FOM is angels on the head of a pin stuff.
Yet so inept are our political classes that this is what threatens our prosperity inside or outside the EU. It's like arguing about tariffs on dilithium crystals.
If we imposed higher tariffs on dilithium crystals it would encourage investment in reducing the labour intensity of dilithium mining, which would be of great benefit to everyone involved, because dilithium mining is terribly dangerous.
Bit cheap of him releasing it to the media. What a rotter!
May releases people's resignations without notice - she has no right to expect any courtesies or niceties from political opponents
Boris was planning on resigning during Mrs May's statement to the Commons.
She was quite right in trying to stop him destabilising the government.
Wow. If that's true (is it really?), then he goes from being a planet-sized, two-faced weasel to a galaxy-sized, two-faced weasel. He really thought that would endear him to the members, a large majority of which have a solid sense of fair play and decency?
Can a Tory leader stand down voluntarily (i.e. no 48 letters) and subject themselves to a leadership election in which they stand?
Even if you couldn't, you just get your mates to write the letters.
No, for the letters trigger a No Conf vote, and the rules are that if this is lost you can't stand in the subsequent leadership election. My Q is whether the rules prevent a leader resigning and restanding (a la Major), sidestepping the NOC and the restanding restriction?
A leader resigning is NOT eligable to be re-nominated in the subsequent leadership election
There's an obvious loophole though, which is that May doesn't resign, but gets her supporters to write to Brady and trigger a vote of confidence for her. Maybe that's a good idea? Clear the air, see off the Mogglodytes.
However, that won't work because the Mogglodytes may only be a minor faction in the commons, they're everywhere in activistland. May can't destroy them.
Yes, from reading the rule book the only way she could do a John Major would be to have her supporters write to Graham Brady saying they have no confidence in her, triggering the VoNC which she then wins and is protected from further challenge for 12 months.
Playing with fire to do that though IMO, she wouldn’t be in control of the process and these things could go very wrong very quickly.
He’s really stepped up his game. He knows May absolutely needs him now and he can do what he thinks best.
Indeed, he knows that he can bring May down at pretty much any point. Other MPs are waiting to rally to his banner at this point. It gives him a lot of power in the Cabinet. Hopefully he doesn't let us down.
I suspect Farage will be one a "Brexit Should Mean Brexit" platform... They'll probably use it on billboards all over the country.
Perhaps if the Hard Brexiteers could hole themselves up in a country house somewhere and produce a coherent plan we'd have something to compare with Chequers. A Cliveden Brexit perhaps?
Perhaps the fictional Darlington Hall may be more apt?
Who plays the role of the loyal but slightly dim butler chappie?
Bit cheap of him releasing it to the media. What a rotter!
May releases people's resignations without notice - she has no right to expect any courtesies or niceties from political opponents
Boris was planning on resigning during Mrs May's statement to the Commons.
She was quite right in trying to stop him destabilising the government.
Wow. If that's true (is it really?), then he goes from being a planet-sized, two-faced weasel to a galaxy-sized, two-faced weasel. He really thought that would endear him to the members, a large majority of which have a solid sense of fair play and decency?
Well it is the inference many people drew from his actions.
Did he really want Mrs May's statement to be dominated about questions about where is Boris and is he resigning?
I think he was hoping to do a Sir Geoffrey Howe/Leo Amery.
FPT Morning Malc - thanks for your comments and I hope you are well and enjoying the weather. Was in Gods own Country two weeks ago and return in 10 days for another week. Hi G, been amazing , at least 6 weeks since we have had rain. Hope it holds for your return. Hope you and family are all well.
Yes we are apart from my strained (and painful) hamstrings from overexertion on our cruise and 1200 miles static behind the wheel driving upto Lossiemouth and back
You don't often see overexertion and cruise in the same sentence...
He’s really stepped up his game. He knows May absolutely needs him now and he can do what he thinks best.
One presumes he has no leadership ambitions of his own. Past conspicuous disloyalty is not the best way of drawing loyalty out of others in the future when it is needed.
Do you think that he is being disloyal? He has conspicuously backed May. He has also sought to make her government more successful by correcting her (and Cameron’s ) mistakes. Windrush, staff for the NHS, emphasising how welcoming the U.K. will be to entrepreneurs post Brexit, and all without really rubbing May’s face in it. Students next.
You don't think he's advertising his disagreement with his boss there?
I think that he is doing so within acceptable limits. This is a policy the Tories need to walk away from. But they need to do it in a way that they can sell to their supporters.
He’s really stepped up his game. He knows May absolutely needs him now and he can do what he thinks best.
Since everyone in the government and business wants more immigration, it would be remarkable if no fudge can be found for FOM.
For fudge, you mean lie, right?
The EU wants FOM. We want to take back control but not actually to limit immigration. Look at non-EU immigration under Theresa May when she was Home Secretary for six years! Ample room for fudge. FOM is angels on the head of a pin stuff.
Yet so inept are our political classes that this is what threatens our prosperity inside or outside the EU. It's like arguing about tariffs on dilithium crystals.
Are you that inept and ignorant that you don't understand the difference?
Control isn't about quantity it is about the kind of person we allow in.
Which is more useful for the country? A white unskilled, unemployed, untalented European who doesn't speak English or a black doctor from the West Indies who speaks fluent English.
Which one of those two should be given the freedom to move here and why?
I suspect Farage will be one a "Brexit Should Mean Brexit" platform... They'll probably use it on billboards all over the country.
Perhaps if the Hard Brexiteers could hole themselves up in a country house somewhere and produce a coherent plan we'd have something to compare with Chequers. A Cliveden Brexit perhaps?
I told you I would keep calling you out on this lie. No matter how many times you repeat it, it is still a lie. The Hard Brexit plan is CETA plus, always has been.
But in order to deny the fact that this means an Irish sea border you interpret CETA in a way that in entirely different to what the EU is willing to offer so it's not realistic.
Standard CETA, with 100% tariff free and no quotas. MaxFac to deal with NI border. Take it or leave it - and they would take it. In a second.
In that case doesn't that make DD the most incompetent buffoon in world negotiating history? He could have saved us all this trouble and his own job with a single utterance.
You have zero idea what is going on, don't you. DD was on the record as saying this is what he wanted. Steve Baker came out and said the same thing yesterday.
The REMAINERS didn't want it so they agreed to the NI backstop to scupper it.
What is going on is that a lot of people who had years to find out how the EU functions and international trade deals ared one are being found out. They did not have a scooby. They were clueless. They thought Brexit would be easy to do because the UK would hold all the negotiating cards. They sold us a vision of Brexit that was never achievable. They were blagging it. They never bothered to do the hard work. Now they are being found out.
And, as usual, they are blaming everyone but themselves for this.
Donald Trump today heaped praise on Cabinet quitter Boris Johnson as he said the UK was in political “turmoil”.
In a humiliating intervention for Theresa May, the US President said the former Foreign Secretary - who quit the Government with a blast at her Brexit plans - was “a great friend of mine”.
And he said it would be up to the British people whether or not Mrs May remains in power.
He’s really stepped up his game. He knows May absolutely needs him now and he can do what he thinks best.
One presumes he has no leadership ambitions of his own. Past conspicuous disloyalty is not the best way of drawing loyalty out of others in the future when it is needed.
Do you think that he is being disloyal? He has conspicuously backed May. He has also sought to make her government more successful by correcting her (and Cameron’s ) mistakes. Windrush, staff for the NHS, emphasising how welcoming the U.K. will be to entrepreneurs post Brexit, and all without really rubbing May’s face in it. Students next.
You don't think he's advertising his disagreement with his boss there?
I think that he is doing so within acceptable limits. This is a policy the Tories need to walk away from. But they need to do it in a way that they can sell to their supporters.
They couldn't even walk away from HS2 after they dropped their fake opposition to the third runway. They won't be dropping the net migration target any time soon.
I suspect Farage will be one a "Brexit Should Mean Brexit" platform... They'll probably use it on billboards all over the country.
Perhaps if the Hard Brexiteers could hole themselves up in a country house somewhere and produce a coherent plan we'd have something to compare with Chequers. A Cliveden Brexit perhaps?
Perhaps the fictional Darlington Hall may be more apt?
Who plays the role of the loyal but slightly dim butler chappie?
Numerous candidates for the dim component, loyal is tough though.
Bit cheap of him releasing it to the media. What a rotter!
May releases people's resignations without notice - she has no right to expect any courtesies or niceties from political opponents
Boris was planning on resigning during Mrs May's statement to the Commons.
She was quite right in trying to stop him destabilising the government.
Wow. If that's true (is it really?), then he goes from being a planet-sized, two-faced weasel to a galaxy-sized, two-faced weasel. He really thought that would endear him to the members, a large majority of which have a solid sense of fair play and decency?
Well it is the inference many people drew from his actions.
Did he really want Mrs May's statement to be dominated about questions about where is Boris and is he resigning?
I think he was hoping to do a Sir Geoffrey Howe/Leo Amery.
When's Boris's resignation speech to the House scheduled? I wonder how he'll pitch it.
A bit stupid to make that accusation on the first full day of a Conservative Cabinet lacking an Old Etonian member (assuming that the conclusion reached on this point yesterday was correct).
He’s really stepped up his game. He knows May absolutely needs him now and he can do what he thinks best.
Since everyone in the government and business wants more immigration, it would be remarkable if no fudge can be found for FOM.
For fudge, you mean lie, right?
The EU wants FOM. We want to take back control but not actually to limit immigration. Look at non-EU immigration under Theresa May when she was Home Secretary for six years! Ample room for fudge. FOM is angels on the head of a pin stuff.
Yet so inept are our political classes that this is what threatens our prosperity inside or outside the EU. It's like arguing about tariffs on dilithium crystals.
Are you that inept and ignorant that you don't understand the difference?
Control isn't about quantity it is about the kind of person we allow in.
Which is more useful for the country? A white unskilled, unemployed, untalented European who doesn't speak English or a black doctor from the West Indies who speaks fluent English.
Which one of those two should be given the freedom to move here and why?
Because they're the only two categories of immigrant...
If I was a fruit farmer, I'd have very little use for a doctor of any skin tone.
Donald Trump today heaped praise on Cabinet quitter Boris Johnson as he said the UK was in political “turmoil”.
In a humiliating intervention for Theresa May, the US President said the former Foreign Secretary - who quit the Government with a blast at her Brexit plans - was “a great friend of mine”.
And he said it would be up to the British people whether or not Mrs May remains in power.
Can a Tory leader stand down voluntarily (i.e. no 48 letters) and subject themselves to a leadership election in which they stand?
Even if you couldn't, you just get your mates to write the letters.
No, for the letters trigger a No Conf vote, and the rules are that if this is lost you can't stand in the subsequent leadership election. My Q is whether the rules prevent a leader resigning and restanding (a la Major), sidestepping the NOC and the restanding restriction?
A leader resigning is NOT eligable to be re-nominated in the subsequent leadership election
There's an obvious loophole though, which is that May doesn't resign, but gets her supporters to write to Brady and trigger a vote of confidence for her. Maybe that's a good idea? Clear the air, see off the Mogglodytes.
However, that won't work because the Mogglodytes may only be a minor faction in the commons, they're everywhere in activistland. May can't destroy them.
Yes, from reading the rule book the only way she could do a John Major would be to have her supporters write to Graham Brady saying they have no confidence in her, triggering the VoNC which she then wins and is protected from further challenge for 12 months.
Playing with fire to do that though IMO, she wouldn’t be in control of the process and these things could go very wrong very quickly.
It was mooted the PM would do this last week -- call for her supporters to trigger a challenge. When it happens, I'll believe the stories that she is confident of crushing the saboteurs.
Bit cheap of him releasing it to the media. What a rotter!
May releases people's resignations without notice - she has no right to expect any courtesies or niceties from political opponents
Boris was planning on resigning during Mrs May's statement to the Commons.
She was quite right in trying to stop him destabilising the government.
Wow. If that's true (is it really?), then he goes from being a planet-sized, two-faced weasel to a galaxy-sized, two-faced weasel. He really thought that would endear him to the members, a large majority of which have a solid sense of fair play and decency?
Well it is the inference many people drew from his actions.
Did he really want Mrs May's statement to be dominated about questions about where is Boris and is he resigning?
I think he was hoping to do a Sir Geoffrey Howe/Leo Amery.
When's Boris's resignation speech to the House scheduled? I wonder how he'll pitch it.
Donald Trump today heaped praise on Cabinet quitter Boris Johnson as he said the UK was in political “turmoil”.
In a humiliating intervention for Theresa May, the US President said the former Foreign Secretary - who quit the Government with a blast at her Brexit plans - was “a great friend of mine”.
A bit stupid to make that accusation on the first full day of a Conservative Cabinet lacking an Old Etonian member (assuming that the conclusion reached on this point yesterday was correct).
That's a distinctly double-edged landmark for a Conservative Cabinet.
I am still not entirely clear why someone with principle didn't walk out of Chequers, down the long drive and flag down a taxi. Wouldn't that have been Robin Cook-esque in gravitas?
p.s. Liam Fox is one of the most unprincipled turds ever to emanate from the bowels of the Conservative party.
He’s really stepped up his game. He knows May absolutely needs him now and he can do what he thinks best.
Since everyone in the government and business wants more immigration, it would be remarkable if no fudge can be found for FOM.
For fudge, you mean lie, right?
The EU wants FOM. We want to take back control but not actually to limit immigration. Look at non-EU immigration under Theresa May when she was Home Secretary for six years! Ample room for fudge. FOM is angels on the head of a pin stuff.
Yet so inept are our political classes that this is what threatens our prosperity inside or outside the EU. It's like arguing about tariffs on dilithium crystals.
Are you that inept and ignorant that you don't understand the difference?
Control isn't about quantity it is about the kind of person we allow in.
Which is more useful for the country? A white unskilled, unemployed, untalented European who doesn't speak English or a black doctor from the West Indies who speaks fluent English.
Which one of those two should be given the freedom to move here and why?
Because they're the only two categories of immigrant...
If I was a fruit farmer, I'd have very little use for a doctor of any skin tone.
Because fruit farmers don’t get ill? And a fruit farmer couldn’t pay higher wages?
I have a business. I worry far more about illness than about issues that can be solved by money.
The key point is that Mr Johnson has now put the question of “UK as an EU colony” at centre stage. If those fears grow, that might create momentum for Britain to walk away with no deal.
But equally, it might give momentum to those MPs who believe that a second referendum is needed on whether Brexit is really worth it.
He’s really stepped up his game. He knows May absolutely needs him now and he can do what he thinks best.
Since everyone in the government and business wants more immigration, it would be remarkable if no fudge can be found for FOM.
For fudge, you mean lie, right?
The EU wants FOM. We want to take back control but not actually to limit immigration. Look at non-EU immigration under Theresa May when she was Home Secretary for six years! Ample room for fudge. FOM is angels on the head of a pin stuff.
Yet so inept are our political classes that this is what threatens our prosperity inside or outside the EU. It's like arguing about tariffs on dilithium crystals.
Are you that inept and ignorant that you don't understand the difference?
Control isn't about quantity it is about the kind of person we allow in.
Which is more useful for the country? A white unskilled, unemployed, untalented European who doesn't speak English or a black doctor from the West Indies who speaks fluent English.
Which one of those two should be given the freedom to move here and why?
Because they're the only two categories of immigrant...
If I was a fruit farmer, I'd have very little use for a doctor of any skin tone.
No they're not the only two categories but what the government has under Javid sought to do is to expand certain categories of migrants that can come (from anywhere in the globe) eg by exempting doctors from quotas and releasing the skilled quota that was taken by doctors to other people.
Idiots are then saying that is the same as free movement. No it is not. The two are polar opposites in fact, one is discriminating based on race and nationality - the other based on talents. Which are you more in favour of?
He’s really stepped up his game. He knows May absolutely needs him now and he can do what he thinks best.
Since everyone in the government and business wants more immigration, it would be remarkable if no fudge can be found for FOM.
For fudge, you mean lie, right?
The EU wants FOM. We want to take back control but not actually to limit immigration. Look at non-EU immigration under Theresa May when she was Home Secretary for six years! Ample room for fudge. FOM is angels on the head of a pin stuff.
Yet so inept are our political classes that this is what threatens our prosperity inside or outside the EU. It's like arguing about tariffs on dilithium crystals.
Are you that inept and ignorant that you don't understand the difference?
Control isn't about quantity it is about the kind of person we allow in.
Which is more useful for the country? A white unskilled, unemployed, untalented European who doesn't speak English or a black doctor from the West Indies who speaks fluent English.
Which one of those two should be given the freedom to move here and why?
Because they're the only two categories of immigrant...
If I was a fruit farmer, I'd have very little use for a doctor of any skin tone.
Because fruit farmers don’t get ill? And a fruit farmer couldn’t pay higher wages?
I have a business. I worry far more about illness than about issues that can be solved by money.
Then I suggest you know nothing about how a fruit farm works. They need a fungible source of unskilled labour. They don't need a foreign cardiologist.
Donald Trump today heaped praise on Cabinet quitter Boris Johnson as he said the UK was in political “turmoil”.
In a humiliating intervention for Theresa May, the US President said the former Foreign Secretary - who quit the Government with a blast at her Brexit plans - was “a great friend of mine”.
I think being slagged off by Trump should be embraced as an honour, not a humiliation. This helps Tessie more than the Blond Blagger.
I'm wondering if Boris will attempt to reinvent himself as the British Trump. His appeal to the metropolitan liberal constituency has gone for ever. To salvage his career maybe becoming a hard-right easy-sell populist is an option.
He’s really stepped up his game. He knows May absolutely needs him now and he can do what he thinks best.
Since everyone in the government and business wants more immigration, it would be remarkable if no fudge can be found for FOM.
For fudge, you mean lie, right?
The EU wants FOM. We want to take back control but not actually to limit immigration. Look at non-EU immigration under Theresa May when she was Home Secretary for six years! Ample room for fudge. FOM is angels on the head of a pin stuff.
Yet so inept are our political classes that this is what threatens our prosperity inside or outside the EU. It's like arguing about tariffs on dilithium crystals.
Are you that inept and ignorant that you don't understand the difference?
Control isn't about quantity it is about the kind of person we allow in.
Which is more useful for the country? A white unskilled, unemployed, untalented European who doesn't speak English or a black doctor from the West Indies who speaks fluent English.
Which one of those two should be given the freedom to move here and why?
Because they're the only two categories of immigrant...
If I was a fruit farmer, I'd have very little use for a doctor of any skin tone.
Because fruit farmers don’t get ill? And a fruit farmer couldn’t pay higher wages?
I have a business. I worry far more about illness than about issues that can be solved by money.
Then I suggest you know nothing about how a fruit farm works. They need a fungible source of unskilled labour. They don't need a foreign cardiologist.
We've had the discussion ad nauseum. They can try either investing in more technology or paying more than minimum wage if they expect people to travel across the world for a temporary job.
This country has full employment, people who are travelling here are able to find permanent jobs at minimum wage or better. Why do you think people should want to travel here for temporary jobs at minimum wage?
He’s really stepped up his game. He knows May absolutely needs him now and he can do what he thinks best.
Since everyone in the government and business wants more immigration, it would be remarkable if no fudge can be found for FOM.
For fudge, you mean lie, right?
The EU wants FOM. We want to take back control but not actually to limit immigration. Look at non-EU immigration under Theresa May when she was Home Secretary for six years! Ample room for fudge. FOM is angels on the head of a pin stuff.
Yet so inept are our political classes that this is what threatens our prosperity inside or outside the EU. It's like arguing about tariffs on dilithium crystals.
Are you that inept and ignorant that you don't understand the difference?
Control isn't about quantity it is about the kind of person we allow in.
Which is more useful for the country? A white unskilled, unemployed, untalented European who doesn't speak English or a black doctor from the West Indies who speaks fluent English.
Which one of those two should be given the freedom to move here and why?
Because they're the only two categories of immigrant...
If I was a fruit farmer, I'd have very little use for a doctor of any skin tone.
Because fruit farmers don’t get ill? And a fruit farmer couldn’t pay higher wages?
I have a business. I worry far more about illness than about issues that can be solved by money.
Then I suggest you know nothing about how a fruit farm works. They need a fungible source of unskilled labour. They don't need a foreign cardiologist.
Or they need to invest in plant and machinery, something that British agribusiness has been woeful at for many, many years. Having an unlimited pool of cheap labour has completely destroyed investment in many, many industries.
There is also a campaign to exempt day nurseries and child care providers from paying business rates - they pay over £500m a year. That would allow them to cut their charges which would benefit families and reduce the cost of childcare. It's been introduced in Scotland - since April - but not in England.
Tax relief for looking after plants but not for looking after our children?
I'm wondering if Boris will attempt to reinvent himself as the British Trump. His appeal to the metropolitan liberal constituency has gone for ever. To salvage his career maybe becoming a hard-right easy-sell populist is an option.
He’s really stepped up his game. He knows May absolutely needs him now and he can do what he thinks best.
Since everyone in the government and business wants more immigration, it would be remarkable if no fudge can be found for FOM.
For fudge, you mean lie, right?
The EU wants FOM. We want to take back control but not actually to limit immigration. Look at non-EU immigration under Theresa May when she was Home Secretary for six years! Ample room for fudge. FOM is angels on the head of a pin stuff.
Yet so inept are our political classes that this is what threatens our prosperity inside or outside the EU. It's like arguing about tariffs on dilithium crystals.
Are you that inept and ignorant that you don't understand the difference?
Control isn't about quantity it is about the kind of person we allow in.
Which is more useful for the country? A white unskilled, unemployed, untalented European who doesn't speak English or a black doctor from the West Indies who speaks fluent English.
Which one of those two should be given the freedom to move here and why?
Because they're the only two categories of immigrant...
If I was a fruit farmer, I'd have very little use for a doctor of any skin tone.
Because fruit farmers don’t get ill? And a fruit farmer couldn’t pay higher wages?
I have a business. I worry far more about illness than about issues that can be solved by money.
Then I suggest you know nothing about how a fruit farm works. They need a fungible source of unskilled labour. They don't need a foreign cardiologist.
Or they need to invest in plant and machinery, something that British agribusiness has been woeful at for many, many years. Having an unlimited pool of cheap labour has completely destroyed investment in many, many industries.
1) Labour is not "unlimited". 2) Investment has not been "completely destroyed" in "many, many industries". Or are you going to name 15 of them? 3) Any farmer who invested in automation would have gone bankrupt because all his competitors had a supply of cheap labour.
But apart from the laughable hyperbole and detachment from market reality, good point.
There is also a campaign to exempt day nurseries and child care providers from paying business rates - they pay over £500m a year. That would allow them to cut their charges which would benefit families and reduce the cost of childcare.
Tax relief for plants but not children?
If I was setting up a child daycare centre I may well be tempted to add a small plant nursery section to the business...
He’s really stepped up his game. He knows May absolutely needs him now and he can do what he thinks best.
Since everyone in the government and business wants more immigration, it would be remarkable if no fudge can be found for FOM.
For fudge, you mean lie, right?
The EU wants FOM. We want to take back control but not actually to limit immigration. Look at non-EU immigration under Theresa May when she was Home Secretary for six years! Ample room for fudge. FOM is angels on the head of a pin stuff.
Yet so inept are our political classes that this is what threatens our prosperity inside or outside the EU. It's like arguing about tariffs on dilithium crystals.
Are you that inept and ignorant that you don't understand the difference?
Control isn't about quantity it is about the kind of person we allow in.
Which is more useful for the country? A white unskilled, unemployed, untalented European who doesn't speak English or a black doctor from the West Indies who speaks fluent English.
Which one of those two should be given the freedom to move here and why?
Because they're the only two categories of immigrant...
If I was a fruit farmer, I'd have very little use for a doctor of any skin tone.
Because fruit farmers don’t get ill? And a fruit farmer couldn’t pay higher wages?
I have a business. I worry far more about illness than about issues that can be solved by money.
Then I suggest you know nothing about how a fruit farm works. They need a fungible source of unskilled labour. They don't need a foreign cardiologist.
We've had the discussion ad nauseum. They can try either investing in more technology or paying more than minimum wage if they expect people to travel across the world for a temporary job.
This country has full employment, people who are travelling here are able to find permanent jobs at minimum wage or better. Why do you think people should want to travel here for temporary jobs at minimum wage?
We have full employment *despite* bazillions of foreigners taking all our jobs and clogging up our schools and hospitals and talking funny on the bus. Right.
Donald Trump today heaped praise on Cabinet quitter Boris Johnson as he said the UK was in political “turmoil”.
In a humiliating intervention for Theresa May, the US President said the former Foreign Secretary - who quit the Government with a blast at her Brexit plans - was “a great friend of mine”.
I think being slagged off by Trump should be embraced as an honour, not a humiliation. This helps Tessie more than the Blond Blagger.
I'm wondering if Boris will attempt to reinvent himself as the British Trump. His appeal to the metropolitan liberal constituency has gone for ever. To salvage his career maybe becoming a hard-right easy-sell populist is an option.
It most likely wins a Tory membership ballot - if he makes the final 2 of course.
There is also a campaign to exempt day nurseries and child care providers from paying business rates - they pay over £500m a year. That would allow them to cut their charges which would benefit families and reduce the cost of childcare.
Tax relief for plants but not children?
If I was setting up a child daycare centre I may well be tempted to add a small plant nursery section to the business...
unless you're proposing to have the children run among the mushrooms, it won't reduce your rates.
If UKIP are on 5% they are already higher than they polled in 1997, 2001, 2005, 2010 and 2017.
The only election they got more than 5% was 2015 when they got 12%.
Who said UKIP was dead?
Interesting. Until Friday there was a general belief that May was batting for Hard(ish) Brexit. Now that she's flipped, it's not surprising if the party loses support to Ukip.
Reviewing the last few days we can see that the flip to Soft(ish) Brexit was a political mistake: instability in government, her own position weakened, party support down.
Which leaves the question: why did she do it? The best answer is probably that she's become more realistic/pragmatic, especially with all the feedback she's been getting from Robbins about how the EU's red lines are a lot redder than hers will ever be. (It's always worth remembering that if it weren't for Northern Ireland, Brexit would be so much easier.) And the leaking of Tory support to Ukip paradoxically works in her favour, since it makes a snap election harder to win... unless she's deposed.
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The REMAINERS didn't want it so they agreed to the NI backstop to scupper it.
Seems a very strident brexiteer.
Edit I'd be surprised if Andrea Jenkyns didn't have one in too.
She was never going to have the votes for her tawdry little compromise in Parliament without Labour support *anyway*, and the EU was always going to demand many more compromises, so the Brexiteer convulsions yesterday haven't really changed the political fundamentals of May's awful position.
She has, however, seen off the toxic little shitheel that is Boris Johnson, so I could see her viewing yesterday as a good day.
Speaking to Peston on Sunday, Conservative MP Nadine Dorries revealed she had already called for David Cameron to face a vote of no confidence.
https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/conservative-party/david-cameron/media-interview/75544/nadine-dorries
And in 2014
A leading backbench critic of David Cameron - who accused the PM of "fuelling" UKIP's rise - has dropped his call for a Tory leadership contest.
Tory MP Andrew Bridgen has withdrawn a letter of no confidence in Mr Cameron, saying he now supports the prime minister "without reservation".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-26923973
If I lived in a Baltic State I'd be packing my bags.
[I may look back on this as an aberrant tin-foil moment. I hope I do.]
We have full access to the SM under WTO rules, because we can sell any goods that we wish to Europe on the same basis as anyone else within the EU.
She was quite right in trying to stop him destabilising the government.
Yet so inept are our political classes that this is what threatens our prosperity inside or outside the EU. It's like arguing about tariffs on dilithium crystals.
Appendix 3 Article 2, P20 of the official Commons Library document on Conservative Party leadership elections.
http://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN01366/SN01366.pdf
They were formally told, they didn't guess he'd resigned.
However, that won't work because the Mogglodytes may only be a minor faction in the commons, they're everywhere in activistland. May can't destroy them.
Playing with fire to do that though IMO, she wouldn’t be in control of the process and these things could go very wrong very quickly.
Did he really want Mrs May's statement to be dominated about questions about where is Boris and is he resigning?
I think he was hoping to do a Sir Geoffrey Howe/Leo Amery.
Control isn't about quantity it is about the kind of person we allow in.
Which is more useful for the country? A white unskilled, unemployed, untalented European who doesn't speak English or a black doctor from the West Indies who speaks fluent English.
Which one of those two should be given the freedom to move here and why?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-parliaments-44767947
And, as usual, they are blaming everyone but themselves for this.
Donald Trump today heaped praise on Cabinet quitter Boris Johnson as he said the UK was in political “turmoil”.
In a humiliating intervention for Theresa May, the US President said the former Foreign Secretary - who quit the Government with a blast at her Brexit plans - was “a great friend of mine”.
And he said it would be up to the British people whether or not Mrs May remains in power.
https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/conservative-party/boris-johnson/news/96726/watch-donald-trump-heaps
If I was a fruit farmer, I'd have very little use for a doctor of any skin tone.
I must admit I cannot remember exactly, but I think many nurseries were treated as exempt from rates prior to the decision
p.s. Liam Fox is one of the most unprincipled turds ever to emanate from the bowels of the Conservative party.
I have a business. I worry far more about illness than about issues that can be solved by money.
But equally, it might give momentum to those MPs who believe that a second referendum is needed on whether Brexit is really worth it.
https://www.ft.com/content/3a8059ca-8435-11e8-a29d-73e3d454535d
Idiots are then saying that is the same as free movement. No it is not. The two are polar opposites in fact, one is discriminating based on race and nationality - the other based on talents. Which are you more in favour of?
This country has full employment, people who are travelling here are able to find permanent jobs at minimum wage or better. Why do you think people should want to travel here for temporary jobs at minimum wage?
Tax relief for looking after plants but not for looking after our children?
https://www.daynurseries.co.uk/news/article.cfm/id/1594835/Government-must-face-facts-and-scrap-business-rates
2) Investment has not been "completely destroyed" in "many, many industries". Or are you going to name 15 of them?
3) Any farmer who invested in automation would have gone bankrupt because all his competitors had a supply of cheap labour.
But apart from the laughable hyperbole and detachment from market reality, good point.
Ms. Anazina, ha, I saw that bit of Die Hard the other day too.
Has anyone else resigned?
separate heriditaments
Reviewing the last few days we can see that the flip to Soft(ish) Brexit was a political mistake: instability in government, her own position weakened, party support down.
Which leaves the question: why did she do it? The best answer is probably that she's become more realistic/pragmatic, especially with all the feedback she's been getting from Robbins about how the EU's red lines are a lot redder than hers will ever be. (It's always worth remembering that if it weren't for Northern Ireland, Brexit would be so much easier.) And the leaking of Tory support to Ukip paradoxically works in her favour, since it makes a snap election harder to win... unless she's deposed.
I think she's for the chop.