Is the motion passed tonight legally binding on the Givernment? If the EU say no to an extension and May’s deal is voted down again, is May legally obliged to revoke A50?
Nope, the European Union (Withdrawal) Act 2018 is still on track. We leave end of March unless something changes.
Theresa May has obviously decided not to sack ministers who vote against the government, but doing so damages her authority and credibility even if it's the sensible thing to do in the circumstances.
I'm getting very confused - how did the Spelman vote do that?
Had Spelman not passed then there would not have been a whip so they'd have been free to vote against No Deal. Instead, it was whipped and the likes of Rudd had to go against the government.
I'm getting very confused - how did the Spelman vote do that?
Had Spelman not passed then there would not have been a whip so they'd have been free to vote against No Deal. Instead, it was whipped and the likes of Rudd had to go against the government.
What of it? They got what they wanted, no deal vote passed, and no one 'has' to follow the whip if prepared to face the consequences, which they had repeatedly claimed they were.
Clearly they are concerned about their careers once this is over.
If a leaver gets in the Tory cabinet remainers would not be keeping their jobs anyway. They must be sacked, they refused to support their own government. That's a matter of principle, you cannot cry crocodile tears over that in my view.
Jeremy Corbyn says from tomorrow he will hold meetings with MPs from across the House of Commons to draft a Brexit deal that could pass
If only old tin ear had done this yonks ago
More advisory irrelevance..
The time for alternatives has passed. The deal is the deal is the deal. If that's not acceptable, and of no deal is not acceptable, then the only remaining option is to revoke.
Pile your cash in on accidental no deal. Too many fantasy island alternatives still circulating around for MPs to pass the steaming corpse of May's deal at 3rd time of asking, especially not with the EU basically hurling abuse at us at the point twice no voters are being asked to change their minds
Can someone summarise what’s going on? I’m trying to watch two football matches and follow Westminster while drinking very average Malbec. I’m bloody confused!
I’m not shy of criticising May’s political skills and leadership style but I’m getting a little bit tired of this.
She’s the only one who’s worked night and day to try and bring a deal about, and hasn’t given up or moved on trying to deliver on the Brexit mandate regardless of the obstacles or difficulties. And she’s had to put up with a remarkable amount of shit (from everyone) to do this when hardly anyone (perhaps no one) has had any better ideas to how to execute it.
She’s earned my respect for her tenacity, determination and sense of duty if nothing else. So, no, I won’t dump it all on her.
I don't blame May for Brexit turning out broadly as I expected it to, with a major political crisis.
Wow Ministers including 4 Cabinet - Rudd, Perry, Stephen Hammond, Buckland, Clark, Mundell, Ellwood, Gauke, Richard Harrington, Burt, James, Milton - all abstained on the main motion
I confess I cannot think of the last time the Chancellor of the Exchequer defied a three line whip. Possibly Ritchie in 1903?
Is the motion passed tonight legally binding on the Givernment? If the EU say no to an extension and May’s deal is voted down again, is May legally obliged to revoke A50?
I quite like the Weathersoon's pubs. Sure, they're a bit too well lit, but the food and the beer are decent, and the prices (usually thanks to Eastern European immigration...) low.
But Tim is a bit of an arse.
I remember he railing against the EU, on the basis that if we left, then we could have free trade, just like the rest of the world did*. I would have loved to have quizzed him on the US-China free trade agreement. Or the Japan-Canada one. Or the Australia-Brazil one.
He's clearly not an idiot. But he's also clearly a complete bulshitter, who has an idea and then assumes the world will fit in with his preconceptions.
* He could have said "we could follow the examples of Switzerland, South Korea and Singapore to forge new trade agreements", but I think he actually believed that outside the EU, all the other countries traded without tariffs.
I was in a Wetherspoon's last night & could barely see where my plate was. Fortunately I don't need light to be able to read my Kindle.
Can someone summarise what’s going on? I’m trying to watch two football matches and follow Westminster while drinking very average Malbec. I’m bloody confused!
Basically nothing. Parliament saying no to everything, and meanwhile we trundle onwards towards no-deal by default.
Wow Ministers including 4 Cabinet - Rudd, Perry, Stephen Hammond, Buckland, Clark, Mundell, Ellwood, Gauke, Richard Harrington, Burt, James, Milton - all abstained on the main motion
I confess I cannot think of the last time the Chancellor of the Exchequer defied a three line whip. Possibly Ritchie in 1903?
Can someone summarise what’s going on? I’m trying to watch two football matches and follow Westminster while drinking very average Malbec. I’m bloody confused!
MPs have in principle said they will never accept no deal, but there's legal hurdles to actually give that effect. Tory Remainers in Cabinet didn't back the government and should resign or be sacked but times are crazy. Tomorrow the Commons will likely discuss how long an extension they want. May will try to bring MV3 about, but Bercow can disallow that.
Wow Ministers including 4 Cabinet - Rudd, Perry, Stephen Hammond, Buckland, Clark, Mundell, Ellwood, Gauke, Richard Harrington, Burt, James, Milton - all abstained on the main motion
I confess I cannot think of the last time the Chancellor of the Exchequer defied a three line whip. Possibly Ritchie in 1903?
Mogg is right that we're still leaving on 29th March if nothing else is agreed before then. The vote tonight doesn't change that. And the EU might tell us to bugger off anyway.
Theresa May has obviously decided not to sack ministers who vote against the government, but doing so damages her authority and credibility even if it's the sensible thing to do in these particular circumstances.
Wow Ministers including 4 Cabinet - Rudd, Perry, Stephen Hammond, Buckland, Clark, Mundell, Ellwood, Gauke, Richard Harrington, Burt, James, Milton - all abstained on the main motion
I confess I cannot think of the last time the Chancellor of the Exchequer defied a three line whip. Possibly Ritchie in 1903?
The sanest course now is for the EU to decline to allow an extension, at which point TMs deal will pass. This phase needs to come to an end.
Certainly if the EU wants a deal to pass, that's one way to force it.
I wonder how the vote would go, say on the 26th, knowing that it really was deal or no-deal, end of the road.
If the EU won't grant an extension, then even if MV3 passes, there still needs to be
a) a QMV in the EuCo to adopt the WA (almost certain) b) the EP to adopt the WA (very likely, but not certain) c) Primary legislation passed by Parliament to implement the WA as required by s.13(1)(d) of the EUWA.
Getting that last little bit done is going to be the difficult bit.
I’m not shy of criticising May’s political skills and leadership style but I’m getting a little bit tired of this.
She’s the only one who’s worked night and day to try and bring a deal about, and hasn’t given up or moved on trying to deliver on the Brexit mandate regardless of the obstacles or difficulties. And she’s had to put up with a remarkable amount of shit (from everyone) to do this when hardly anyone (perhaps no one) has had any better ideas to how to execute it.
She’s earned my respect for her tenacity, determination and sense of duty if nothing else. So, no, I won’t dump it all on her.
I don't blame May for Brexit turning out broadly as I expected it to, with a major political crisis.
I admire her tenacity and work ethic, I thought she was one of the few grown ups there, but for a long time now her being in place has not been helping anything and she has had no workable plan, and her choices have undoubtedly been driven by trying to keep together two sides in her party who are irreconcilable.
Can someone summarise what’s going on? I’m trying to watch two football matches and follow Westminster while drinking very average Malbec. I’m bloody confused!
Basically nothing. Parliament saying no to everything, and meanwhile we trundle onwards towards no-deal by default.
No we are now trundling towards Single Market and Customs Union BINO or No Brexit at all if the Deal fails again thanks to tonight's vote
Mogg is right that we're still leaving on 29th March if nothing else is agreed before then. The vote tonight doesn't change that. And the EU might tell us to bugger off anyway.
Moronic Mogg and his band of blithering blusterers still think they can filibuster out a No Deal Brexit.
They are fanatical zealots infected with complete idiocy.
Can someone summarise what’s going on? I’m trying to watch two football matches and follow Westminster while drinking very average Malbec. I’m bloody confused!
Just the two footie matches...I'm on both Champions League and Norwich...I've quaffed a glass of Malbec and now on the Chianti which is rather good....
fuck knows what's happening though in Brexitland...I'm trying to follow- but it just seems like everyone has taken a very large dose of acid
Mogg is right that we're still leaving on 29th March if nothing else is agreed before then. The vote tonight doesn't change that. And the EU might tell us to bugger off anyway.
Mogg is right that we're still leaving on 29th March if nothing else is agreed before then. The vote tonight doesn't change that. And the EU might tell us to bugger off anyway.
So having argued for ages that the EU is more afraid of no deal than we are, the ERG now relies upon the EU to force us to a no deal exit?
Wow Ministers including 4 Cabinet - Rudd, Perry, Stephen Hammond, Buckland, Clark, Mundell, Ellwood, Gauke, Richard Harrington, Burt, James, Milton - all abstained on the main motion
I confess I cannot think of the last time the Chancellor of the Exchequer defied a three line whip. Possibly Ritchie in 1903?
It's not the COE.
OK, That's bad, but not as bad as I thought.
If he turns on her, she really is finished.
He just told her to speak to Jezza and get another Deal (#CCU)
Mogg is right that we're still leaving on 29th March if nothing else is agreed before then. The vote tonight doesn't change that. And the EU might tell us to bugger off anyway.
If I was the EU I'd be preparing to erect a big sign over the Eurotunnel portal reading "SECURE WARD - ENTER AT YOUR OWN RISK"
Can someone summarise what’s going on? I’m trying to watch two football matches and follow Westminster while drinking very average Malbec. I’m bloody confused!
Basically nothing. Parliament saying no to everything, and meanwhile we trundle onwards towards no-deal by default.
No we are now trundling towards Single Market and Customs Union BINO or No Brexit at all if the Deal fails again thanks to tonight's vote
We may or may not. An accidental no deal is quite possible.
Mogg is right that we're still leaving on 29th March if nothing else is agreed before then. The vote tonight doesn't change that. And the EU might tell us to bugger off anyway.
Moronic Mogg and his band of blithering blusterers still think they can filibuster out a No Deal Brexit.
They are fanatical zealots infected with complete idiocy.
The penny seems to have dropped for Stephen Clarke now on BBC News.
I’m not shy of criticising May’s political skills and leadership style but I’m getting a little bit tired of this.
She’s the only one who’s worked night and day to try and bring a deal about, and hasn’t given up or moved on trying to deliver on the Brexit mandate regardless of the obstacles or difficulties. And she’s had to put up with a remarkable amount of shit (from everyone) to do this when hardly anyone (perhaps no one) has had any better ideas to how to execute it.
She’s earned my respect for her tenacity, determination and sense of duty if nothing else. So, no, I won’t dump it all on her.
It most certainly is not all TM fault.
I agree with your comments and put this mess at the door of the 498 mps who voted to invoke A50 with a default no deal outcome
I'm no Conservative but I respect her diligence, her integrity and recognise her earnest desire to do the best (as she sees it) for Party and country.
As for "blame", yes, there's plenty to go round but I start with May failing to include and accept voices from outside her Party and Government. Leaving the EU is a national project and required a range of skills, expertise and opinion from across the political spectrum but instead she secreted the whole process within the Conservative Party and spent her spare time making jibes at Labour and talking about "uniting the country".
As for the nonsense about the 498 MPs and A50, the No Deal outcome isn't our default, it's within A50 itself - you can argue the 24 month time limit is absurd and that's valid but the fact of leaving without a Deal or an agreed extension is within the A50 process. We couldn't have invalidated the No Deal option - could we have prepared better?
Hindsight is so easy to be honest.
The irony is that ERG are the real reason brexit is failing - and it is the one thing in this mess that gives me great pleasure
Wow Ministers including 4 Cabinet - Rudd, Perry, Stephen Hammond, Buckland, Clark, Mundell, Ellwood, Gauke, Richard Harrington, Burt, James, Milton - all abstained on the main motion
I'm getting very confused - how did the Spelman vote do that?
Had Spelman not passed then there would not have been a whip so they'd have been free to vote against No Deal. Instead, it was whipped and the likes of Rudd had to go against the government.
Mogg is right that we're still leaving on 29th March if nothing else is agreed before then. The vote tonight doesn't change that. And the EU might tell us to bugger off anyway.
Moronic Mogg and his band of blithering blusterers still think they can filibuster out a No Deal Brexit.
They are fanatical zealots infected with complete idiocy.
I’m not shy of criticising May’s political skills and leadership style but I’m getting a little bit tired of this.
She’s the only one who’s worked night and day to try and bring a deal about, and hasn’t given up or moved on trying to deliver on the Brexit mandate regardless of the obstacles or difficulties. And she’s had to put up with a remarkable amount of shit (from everyone) to do this when hardly anyone (perhaps no one) has had any better ideas to how to execute it.
She’s earned my respect for her tenacity, determination and sense of duty if nothing else. So, no, I won’t dump it all on her.
I don't blame May for Brexit turning out broadly as I expected it to, with a major political crisis.
Yes, but you’re only a slightly more subtle William Glenn.
May has laid out a practical exit route and a fair deal that I’m more than comfortable with.
The prats in the ERG would have given their right arms for this five years ago.
Wow Ministers including 4 Cabinet - Rudd, Perry, Stephen Hammond, Buckland, Clark, Mundell, Ellwood, Gauke, Richard Harrington, Burt, James, Milton - all abstained on the main motion
I confess I cannot think of the last time the Chancellor of the Exchequer defied a three line whip. Possibly Ritchie in 1903?
It's not the COE.
OK, That's bad, but not as bad as I thought.
If he turns on her, she really is finished.
He just told her to speak to Jezza and get another Deal (#CCU)
Mogg is right that we're still leaving on 29th March if nothing else is agreed before then. The vote tonight doesn't change that. And the EU might tell us to bugger off anyway.
Moronic Mogg and his band of blithering blusterers still think they can filibuster out a No Deal Brexit.
They are fanatical zealots infected with complete idiocy.
The penny seems to have dropped for Stephen Clarke now on BBC News.
It's not enough. Every single ERG dickbag is a traitor.
An Islamic Republic would be better than our current ‘system of government’.
Ironically, Brexit might well mean immigrants from Islamic states replace those from European ones. It is something Brexiteers do not seem to understand. Even minimum wage jobs are a tremendous pull for those who live in some of the poorest countries in the world.
If the EU won't grant an extension, then even if MV3 passes, there still needs to be
If MV3 passes, a short extension would suddenly be no problem at all. They're hardly going to send us all into a crash no-deal mess for want of 2 months, when it's fully agreed.
I’m not shy of criticising May’s political skills and leadership style but I’m getting a little bit tired of this.
She’s the only one who’s worked night and day to try and bring a deal about, and hasn’t given up or moved on trying to deliver on the Brexit mandate regardless of the obstacles or difficulties. And she’s had to put up with a remarkable amount of shit (from everyone) to do this when hardly anyone (perhaps no one) has had any better ideas to how to execute it.
She’s earned my respect for her tenacity, determination and sense of duty if nothing else. So, no, I won’t dump it all on her.
May is a decent person but a poor leader. She made life incredibly hard for herself after losing a GE which brought about the double calamity of a) losing her majority and b) bringing the DUP/NI into the equation (the EU and the Remainers have played the border issue like a fiddle).
I still think her deal will get through though. Because for all the bitching and abuse no-one else in parliament has any deal to offer. Her's is the only deal in the room.
I still think Norway Plus/ Vassal State will be where we end up. But it does require Leavers to accept Brexit has failed, give up, and clear the path for erstwhile Remainers / the "elite" to make the best of things. Leavers are not in that space yet.
The sanest course now is for the EU to decline to allow an extension, at which point TMs deal will pass. This phase needs to come to an end.
Certainly if the EU wants a deal to pass, that's one way to force it.
I wonder how the vote would go, say on the 26th, knowing that it really was deal or no-deal, end of the road.
There'd be some very conflicted Labour MPs......
Nope, they will propose an amendment that in the event of no deal being passed and no extension forthcoming that the government obey the house and revoke A50
I can't see a majority for that, quite.
It’s what most MPs want but they don’t want to be on the hook for it.
My vote for tories has gone forever . I will vote brexit party. The tories have betrayed the voters
I certainly won't be voting Conservative next time around. Not even the threat of Corbyn is enough. Doubt I'll be voting Brexit Party but I'll most likely abstain. What's the point in voting any more?
The result of the last national vote to take away May's majority for Brexit seems to have been effective.
The result of the last national vote was largely due to the dementia tax and Corbyn's promise of free everything.
It shouldn't need to be said but both Labour and the Tories stood on a promise to implement the result of the 2016 referendum.
Those who want to cry betrayal are well within their rights to. I'm simply going to abstain. There's no point taking part in the political process any more.
What we must hope for now is that at least one of the EU leaders (perhaps Macron?) puts their foot down and refuses to grant the A50 extension.
My opinion remains that the best - indeed, only - solution, assuming that the majority in Parliament can't stomach the deal, thinks no deal is catastrophic, and would rather just call the whole thing off, is to revoke, followed by a General Election. However, in any event, the only way that this dire, woeful, incompetent and hopelessly divided Parliament is ever going to settle on any course of action is if it is forced to do so.
If the EU grants an extension then all MPs will do is waste the time in interminable, futile debate that resolves nothing.
I still can't see how it will pass - DUP aren't going to change their minds, some ERG hard liners will choose to stick as well. Mogg will vote against as I cannot see how revoke - the only remaining option at that point - will get a majority or how having done so it could be implemented whilst May remains PM
It's going to be no deal. At which point we're fucked in every way possible - economic chaos combined with the simultaneous tearing asunder of both main parties
My vote for tories has gone forever . I will vote brexit party. The tories have betrayed the voters
I certainly won't be voting Conservative next time around. Not even the threat of Corbyn is enough. Doubt I'll be voting Brexit Party but I'll most likely abstain. What's the point in voting any more?
The result of the last national vote to take away May's majority for Brexit seems to have been effective.
The result of the last national vote was largely due to the dementia tax and Corbyn's promise of free everything.
It shouldn't need to be said but both Labour and the Tories stood on a promise to implement the result of the 2016 referendum.
Those who want to cry betrayal are well within their rights to. I'm simply going to abstain. There's no point taking part in the political process any more.
Labour's manifesto was a lot more nuanced than that, if you read it fully.
And a lot of voters worked out regardless that voting Labour was the best way to chuck a spanner into May's works.
The sanest course now is for the EU to decline to allow an extension, at which point TMs deal will pass. This phase needs to come to an end.
The EU will allow an extension with s significant change from the UK side e.g. Remain v Deal referendum, there is a majority in the Commons for that over No Deal
The EU will formally tell us to stick an extension this time next week. Which leaves us just over a week before the deadline - if you passionately believe in No Deal and you can see the prize days away is nothing else passes, why would you vote to pass something else and thus vote against your dream?
I’m not shy of criticising May’s political skills and leadership style but I’m getting a little bit tired of this.
She’s the only one who’s worked night and day to try and bring a deal about, and hasn’t given up or moved on trying to deliver on the Brexit mandate regardless of the obstacles or difficulties. And she’s had to put up with a remarkable amount of shit (from everyone) to do this when hardly anyone (perhaps no one) has had any better ideas to how to execute it.
She’s earned my respect for her tenacity, determination and sense of duty if nothing else. So, no, I won’t dump it all on her.
It most certainly is not all TM fault.
I agree with your comments and put this mess at the door of the 498 mps who voted to invoke A50 with a default no deal outcome
I'm no Conservative but I respect her diligence, her integrity and recognise her earnest desire to do the best (as she sees it) for Party and country.
As for "blame", yes, there's plenty to go round but I start with May failing to include and accept voices from outside her Party and Government. Leaving the EU is a national project and required a range of skills, expertise and opinion from across the political spectrum but instead she secreted the whole process within the Conservative Party and spent her spare time making jibes at Labour and talking about "uniting the country".
As for the nonsense about the 498 MPs and A50, the No Deal outcome isn't our default, it's within A50 itself - you can argue the 24 month time limit is absurd and that's valid but the fact of leaving without a Deal or an agreed extension is within the A50 process. We couldn't have invalidated the No Deal option - could we have prepared better?
Hindsight is so easy to be honest.
The irony is that ERG are the real reason brexit is failing - and it is the one thing in this mess that gives me great pleasure
My vote for tories has gone forever . I will vote brexit party. The tories have betrayed the voters
I certainly won't be voting Conservative next time around. Not even the threat of Corbyn is enough. Doubt I'll be voting Brexit Party but I'll most likely abstain. What's the point in voting any more?
The result of the last national vote to take away May's majority for Brexit seems to have been effective.
The result of the last national vote was largely due to the dementia tax and Corbyn's promise of free everything.
It shouldn't need to be said but both Labour and the Tories stood on a promise to implement the result of the 2016 referendum.
Those who want to cry betrayal are well within their rights to. I'm simply going to abstain. There's no point taking part in the political process any more.
Labour stood on a promise to rule out no deal and reject May's approach to Brexit. In that respect, it did what it said on the tin.
It won't pass without Labour support or abstention. She needs bring another 60 Tory MPs on board and have 5 Labour rebels and 20 abstentions. It's. Not. Going. To. Happen. Brexit is dead and the ERG killed it.
Expel the entirety of the ERG from the party and call an election. Simple. Tell them to beg Farage for a seat to run and lose in. Pompous bunch of fantasist twats
What we must hope for now is that at least one of the EU leaders (perhaps Macron?) puts their foot down and refuses to grant the A50 extension.
My opinion remains that the best - indeed, only - solution, assuming that the majority in Parliament can't stomach the deal, thinks no deal is catastrophic, and would rather just call the whole thing off, is to revoke, followed by a General Election. However, in any event, the only way that this dire, woeful, incompetent and hopelessly divided Parliament is ever going to settle on any course of action is if it is forced to do so.
If the EU grants an extension then all MPs will do is waste the time in interminable, futile debate that resolves nothing.
Indeed, I think you summarise the only way out well. Revoke....Revoke..Revoke!
If Cabinet ministers are allowed to ignore the govt's own instructions then discipline is just gone - to sound like an old bore, if you don't have discipline you don't really have a government for very long.
I still can't see how it will pass - DUP aren't going to change their minds, some ERG hard liners will choose to stick as well. Mogg will vote against as I cannot see how revoke - the only remaining option at that point - will get a majority or how having done so it could be implemented whilst May remains PM
It's going to be no deal. At which point we're fucked in every way possible - economic chaos combined with the simultaneous tearing asunder of both main parties
I’m not shy of criticising May’s political skills and leadership style but I’m getting a little bit tired of this.
She’s the only one who’s worked night and day to try and bring a deal about, and hasn’t given up or moved on trying to deliver on the Brexit mandate regardless of the obstacles or difficulties. And she’s had to put up with a remarkable amount of shit (from everyone) to do this when hardly anyone (perhaps no one) has had any better ideas to how to execute it.
She’s earned my respect for her tenacity, determination and sense of duty if nothing else. So, no, I won’t dump it all on her.
I don't blame May for Brexit turning out broadly as I expected it to, with a major political crisis.
Yes, but you’re only a slightly more subtle William Glenn.
May has laid out a practical exit route and a fair deal that I’m more than comfortable with.
The prats in the ERG would have given their right arms for this five years ago.
I think and have always thought Brexit will fail on its own terms because of its contradictions, hence the political crisis. I think and always have thought Brexit will happen, once the referendum was passed . There's a difference.
My vote for tories has gone forever . I will vote brexit party. The tories have betrayed the voters
I certainly won't be voting Conservative next time around. Not even the threat of Corbyn is enough. Doubt I'll be voting Brexit Party but I'll most likely abstain. What's the point in voting any more?
The result of the last national vote to take away May's majority for Brexit seems to have been effective.
The result of the last national vote was largely due to the dementia tax and Corbyn's promise of free everything.
It shouldn't need to be said but both Labour and the Tories stood on a promise to implement the result of the 2016 referendum.
Those who want to cry betrayal are well within their rights to. I'm simply going to abstain. There's no point taking part in the political process any more.
Labour's manifesto was a lot more nuanced than that, if you read it fully.
And a lot of voters worked out regardless that voting Labour was the best way to chuck a spanner into May's works.
People seem to disagree on whether people voted Labour because they focused on non-Brexit matters or if they figured it was the way to prevent May's hard Brexit.
I still can't see how it will pass - DUP aren't going to change their minds, some ERG hard liners will choose to stick as well. Mogg will vote against as I cannot see how revoke - the only remaining option at that point - will get a majority or how having done so it could be implemented whilst May remains PM
It's going to be no deal. At which point we're fucked in every way possible - economic chaos combined with the simultaneous tearing asunder of both main parties
Expel the entirety of the ERG from the party and call an election. Simple. Tell them to beg Farage for a seat to run and lose in. Pompous bunch of fantasist twats
Great strategy except for the views of the Tories' white pensioner membership.
Heard that one a millions times before. My dead dog could see May is gone the second the deal passes (but for handover period), and that's been true for months.
I still can't see how it will pass - DUP aren't going to change their minds, some ERG hard liners will choose to stick as well. Mogg will vote against as I cannot see how revoke - the only remaining option at that point - will get a majority or how having done so it could be implemented whilst May remains PM
It's going to be no deal. At which point we're fucked in every way possible - economic chaos combined with the simultaneous tearing asunder of both main parties
Even revoke is more likely than No Deal tonight
I agree
If anyone wanted proof the political world has been upended...
If Cabinet ministers are allowed to ignore the govt's own instructions then discipline is just gone - to sound like an old bore, if you don't have discipline you don't really have a government for very long.
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"Well they both have their merits"
Pile your cash in on accidental no deal. Too many fantasy island alternatives still circulating around for MPs to pass the steaming corpse of May's deal at 3rd time of asking, especially not with the EU basically hurling abuse at us at the point twice no voters are being asked to change their minds
Good evening, everybody.
An Islamic Republic would be better than our current ‘system of government’.
In short, the Remainers have won.
https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1105929799237804033
Yes it is she called GE 2017
If he turns on her, she really is finished.
a) a QMV in the EuCo to adopt the WA (almost certain)
b) the EP to adopt the WA (very likely, but not certain)
c) Primary legislation passed by Parliament to implement the WA as required by s.13(1)(d) of the EUWA.
Getting that last little bit done is going to be the difficult bit.
They are fanatical zealots infected with complete idiocy.
fuck knows what's happening though in Brexitland...I'm trying to follow- but it just seems like everyone has taken a very large dose of acid
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https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1105930884945985541
The irony is that ERG are the real reason brexit is failing - and it is the one thing in this mess that gives me great pleasure
Claire Perry too
Damn them.
May has laid out a practical exit route and a fair deal that I’m more than comfortable with.
The prats in the ERG would have given their right arms for this five years ago.
If MV3 passes, a short extension would suddenly be no problem at all. They're hardly going to send us all into a crash no-deal mess for want of 2 months, when it's fully agreed.
It’s just not a big enough word.
It shouldn't need to be said but both Labour and the Tories stood on a promise to implement the result of the 2016 referendum.
Those who want to cry betrayal are well within their rights to. I'm simply going to abstain. There's no point taking part in the political process any more.
My opinion remains that the best - indeed, only - solution, assuming that the majority in Parliament can't stomach the deal, thinks no deal is catastrophic, and would rather just call the whole thing off, is to revoke, followed by a General Election. However, in any event, the only way that this dire, woeful, incompetent and hopelessly divided Parliament is ever going to settle on any course of action is if it is forced to do so.
If the EU grants an extension then all MPs will do is waste the time in interminable, futile debate that resolves nothing.
It's going to be no deal. At which point we're fucked in every way possible - economic chaos combined with the simultaneous tearing asunder of both main parties
But it may be immaterial. Bercow must be chuckling to himself at the power now in his hands.
And a lot of voters worked out regardless that voting Labour was the best way to chuck a spanner into May's works.
What do they want?
If Cabinet ministers are allowed to ignore the govt's own instructions then discipline is just gone - to sound like an old bore, if you don't have discipline you don't really have a government for very long.
GE 2019
So they won't vote for it. When proper Brexit is days away and happens if nothing else passes
Edit: Already talking about MV4! It's comic
https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/status/1105933136054099974
"Nearly 50 people, including actors Felicity Huffman and Lori Loughlin, were charged on Tuesday in what federal authorities say was a $25 million scam to help wealthy Americans get their children into elite universities like Yale and Stanford.
The most sweeping college admissions fraud scheme ever unearthed in the United States was masterminded at a small college-preparation company based in Newport Beach, California, prosecutors said. It relied on bribes to coaches, phony test takers and even doctored photos misrepresenting non-athletic applicants as elite competitors to gain admissions for the offspring of rich parents."
https://www.france24.com/en/20190313-usa-celebrities-wealthy-parents-charged-university-bribery-admissions-scandal