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  • JonathanDJonathanD Posts: 2,117
    edited January 8

    Remember when I tipped Matt Hancock as a future Prime Minister.

    IT IS ON

    So exciting and narrative changing this influx of fresh talent to Cabinet.

    With the pacing of todays reshuffle May also appears to have failed to have given any thought to the early evening news headlines.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 1,069
    If you were Ann Milton right now, you’d be feeling a little downbeat. Unless she gets something like DCMS, but that looks like that might go to Hancock.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 20,130

    JohnO said:

    JohnO said:

    Jonathan said:

    JohnO said:

    Jonathan said:

    JohnO said:

    I despair. She simply isn't up to it, is she?

    Er, yes. That has been obvious for some time, but your lot have some kind of fetish for more punishment.
    But who can take her place at present? And certainly not your grim and ghastly crowd.
    Your party needs to make a choice of direction and get on with it. You're currently pissing around in no man's land.
    And your party needs to regain its sanity. As Sean Fear wrote on the previous thread: this is a mediocre government but it's not doing much harm. Under its present leadership, Labour would be catastrophic. But I suspect you know that too.
    It's a mediocre government whose sole purpose at present is to implement Brexit, the most gratuitously harmful policy undertaken by a government in living memory.
    And one that you almost supported.
    Not in anything like this format. A policy inspired by malign xenophobic lies is never going to do anything but harm to the country.
    I think we might get the conscious decoupling via an EEA light that you were looking for, with slow divergence, actually.

    But, let's wait and see.
    It will still be a hate-fuelled xenophobic Brexit that diminishes and damages this country. And in the meantime Britain has two teams of competing nutjobs each pushing their own wacko prescriptions that will only make things worse.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 8,509

    Jonathan said:

    JohnO said:

    Jonathan said:

    JohnO said:

    Jonathan said:

    JohnO said:

    I despair. She simply isn't up to it, is she?

    Er, yes. That has been obvious for some time, but your lot have some kind of fetish for more punishment.
    But who can take her place at present? And certainly not your grim and ghastly crowd.
    Your party needs to make a choice of direction and get on with it. You're currently pissing around in no man's land.
    And your party needs to regain its sanity. As Sean Fear wrote on the previous thread: this is a mediocre government but it's not doing much harm. Under its present leadership, Labour would be catastrophic. But I suspect you know that too.
    Of course, Jonathan knows that: he's a sound man and good egg.

    He just gets a bit enthusiastically partisan at times like this.

    We all can.
    Solving other parties problems is easier.

    First you have decide on Boris once and for all.

    Then you need to choose between an ideological party focused on Brexit - Gove

    Or pragmatic managerial one nation party - Hunt or Rudd.
    I wish I could advise you how to solve yours.

    Sadly, I don't think I can. I don't think it's possible to reason with Leninists.
    I am part social democrat, part progressive economic liberal. New Labour pretty much ticked my box. As such I am an anachronism and spectator today.


  • AnazinaAnazina Posts: 1,447

    Has the Minister for Appeasing the Tory Right and Getting Good Headlines in the Daily Mail by Pretending we are Planning for a No Deal Brexit been appointed yet?

    Is that going to be Jacob Rees-Mogg?
    Steve Baker according to speculation over the weekend.
    Oh, so we're still hitting 9.4 on the fruitloop scale.
    Baker is crackers. Fractionally less crackers than Mogg, but still the full Jacob.
  • Has the Minister for Appeasing the Tory Right and Getting Good Headlines in the Daily Mail by Pretending we are Planning for a No Deal Brexit been appointed yet?

    Is that going to be Jacob Rees-Mogg?
    Steve Baker according to speculation over the weekend.
    Oh, so we're still hitting 9.4 on the fruitloop scale.
    Yup, he gets tumescent at the prospect of no deal.

    https://news.sky.com/story/theresa-may-to-appoint-cabinet-member-for-no-deal-in-reshuffle-11199777
  • David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 5,200
    edited January 8

    Karen Bradley to Belfast.

    What did she do wrong at Culture, Media and also Sport.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 8,509
    JohnO said:

    Anazina said:

    JohnO said:

    Anazina said:

    JohnO said:

    JohnO said:

    Jonathan said:

    JohnO said:

    Jonathan said:

    JohnO said:

    I despair. She simply isn't up to it, is she?

    Er, yes. That has been obvious for some time, but your lot have some kind of fetish for more punishment.
    But who can take her place at present? And certainly not your grim and ghastly crowd.
    Your party needs to make a choice of direction and get on with it. You're currently pissing around in no man's land.
    And your party needs to regain its sanity. As Sean Fear wrote on the previous thread: this is a mediocre government but it's not doing much harm. Under its present leadership, Labour would be catastrophic. But I suspect you know that too.
    It's a mediocre government whose sole purpose at present is to implement Brexit, the most gratuitously harmful policy undertaken by a government in living memory.
    And one that you almost supported.
    I think it's impossible that anyone barring the clinically insane could support this dimwitted band of clowns and halfwits.
    When it is still head and shoulders better than the alternative, then the answer is a resounding yes.
    You do realise that it's not necessary to support anyone?
    Of course you can abstain but IMHO that's a cop-out.
    Too right. Abstaining abrogates responsibility for choices that have to be made regardless. You have a duty to choose.
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 3,197

    Has the Minister for Appeasing the Tory Right and Getting Good Headlines in the Daily Mail by Pretending we are Planning for a No Deal Brexit been appointed yet?

    Is that going to be Jacob Rees-Mogg?
    Steve Baker according to speculation over the weekend.
    Oh, so we're still hitting 9.4 on the fruitloop scale.
    Yup, he gets tumescent at the prospect of no deal.

    https://news.sky.com/story/theresa-may-to-appoint-cabinet-member-for-no-deal-in-reshuffle-11199777
    Don't ever, ever, mention Steve Baker in my presence!!!
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 794

    Has the Minister for Appeasing the Tory Right and Getting Good Headlines in the Daily Mail by Pretending we are Planning for a No Deal Brexit been appointed yet?

    I still maintain there is at least a little method amongst the madness here. Rather than appeasing the Tory right, the purpose would be to ensure the Tory right stare properly into the abyss before deciding to go for it. I believe much of the posturing at Phase 1 had the effect of achieving that end, and the whimper of a fuss that was kicked up attests to effectiveness of the strategy.

    Whether that was hit upon serendipitously I'll leave to one side.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 14,574

    Anazina said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    Anazina said:

    ORB's results for 'we will be economically better off' are approaching crossover.
    image

    That is sure the key metric.
    Only to Remainers.
    True enough, you are right. Leavers don't care about their country's economy or the wealth of its people. There is no price too high for the completion of their deranged project.
    I voted remain but expect to leave the EU in accordance with the democratic vote of the citizens. No one can say with any certainty the economic cost. It may just surprise on the upside

    So what do you think of the Lib Dems Exit from Brexit policy?
    I do not give the lid dems a moments thought to be honest
  • AnazinaAnazina Posts: 1,447
    JohnO said:

    Anazina said:

    JohnO said:

    Anazina said:

    JohnO said:

    JohnO said:

    Jonathan said:

    JohnO said:

    Jonathan said:

    JohnO said:

    I despair. She simply isn't up to it, is she?

    Er, yes. That has been obvious for some time, but your lot have some kind of fetish for more punishment.
    But who can take her place at present? And certainly not your grim and ghastly crowd.
    Your party needs to make a choice of direction and get on with it. You're currently pissing around in no man's land.
    And your party needs to regain its sanity. As Sean Fear wrote on the previous thread: this is a mediocre government but it's not doing much harm. Under its present leadership, Labour would be catastrophic. But I suspect you know that too.
    It's a mediocre government whose sole purpose at present is to implement Brexit, the most gratuitously harmful policy undertaken by a government in living memory.
    And one that you almost supported.
    I think it's impossible that anyone barring the clinically insane could support this dimwitted band of clowns and halfwits.
    When it is still head and shoulders better than the alternative, then the answer is a resounding yes.
    You do realise that it's not necessary to support anyone?
    Of course you can abstain but IMHO that's a cop-out.
    Not really. If offered the choice of eating dog poo or cat shit, I would politely abstain.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 26,620

    Has the Minister for Appeasing the Tory Right and Getting Good Headlines in the Daily Mail by Pretending we are Planning for a No Deal Brexit been appointed yet?

    Is that going to be Jacob Rees-Mogg?
    Steve Baker according to speculation over the weekend.

    Sounds about right - should get some good headlines. Steve'll have them quaking in their boots in Brussels, of course.

  • Promoted to first amongst equals...

    Saw yesterday’s highlights, is Erik Lamela the new Roberto Soldado?
    Sissoko or a lamp post... which is less damaging to a teams passing %ages...
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 8,509
    Anazina said:

    JohnO said:

    Anazina said:

    JohnO said:

    Anazina said:

    JohnO said:

    JohnO said:

    Jonathan said:

    JohnO said:

    Jonathan said:

    JohnO said:

    I despair. She simply isn't up to it, is she?

    Er, yes. That has been obvious for some time, but your lot have some kind of fetish for more punishment.
    But who can take her place at present? And certainly not your grim and ghastly crowd.
    Your party needs to make a choice of direction and get on with it. You're currently pissing around in no man's land.
    And your party needs to regain its sanity. As Sean Fear wrote on the previous thread: this is a mediocre government but it's not doing much harm. Under its present leadership, Labour would be catastrophic. But I suspect you know that too.
    It's a mediocre government whose sole purpose at present is to implement Brexit, the most gratuitously harmful policy undertaken by a government in living memory.
    And one that you almost supported.
    I think it's impossible that anyone barring the clinically insane could support this dimwitted band of clowns and halfwits.
    When it is still head and shoulders better than the alternative, then the answer is a resounding yes.
    You do realise that it's not necessary to support anyone?
    Of course you can abstain but IMHO that's a cop-out.
    Not really. If offered the choice of eating dog poo or cat shit, I would politely abstain.
    But if the cat shit or dog poo were making decisions that impact others seriously you have a duty to find the least noxious taste for your pallette.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 26,620
    Pro_Rata said:

    Has the Minister for Appeasing the Tory Right and Getting Good Headlines in the Daily Mail by Pretending we are Planning for a No Deal Brexit been appointed yet?

    I still maintain there is at least a little method amongst the madness here. Rather than appeasing the Tory right, the purpose would be to ensure the Tory right stare properly into the abyss before deciding to go for it. I believe much of the posturing at Phase 1 had the effect of achieving that end, and the whimper of a fuss that was kicked up attests to effectiveness of the strategy.

    Whether that was hit upon serendipitously I'll leave to one side.

    That is actually a fair point. Serendipity, I think. But it was still good news. And the more Brexiteers there are in cabinet to take ownership of the soft, fluffy, bouncy Brexit that we finally get after many years of transition, the less trouble there will be.

  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 24,532
    Off topic, this oddsboost things by Ladbrokes is quite fun.

    I just got 130/1 on Matt Hancock.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 14,574
    Green paper on social care now moved to Health Department. Sky reporting a chorus of approval for this move
  • David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 5,200
    Jonathan said:

    Jonathan said:

    JohnO said:

    Jonathan said:

    JohnO said:

    Jonathan said:

    JohnO said:

    I despair. She simply isn't up to it, is she?

    Er, yes. That has been obvious for some time, but your lot have some kind of fetish for more punishment.
    But who can take her place at present? And certainly not your grim and ghastly crowd.
    Your party needs to make a choice of direction and get on with it. You're currently pissing around in no man's land.
    And your party needs to regain its sanity. As Sean Fear wrote on the previous thread: this is a mediocre government but it's not doing much harm. Under its present leadership, Labour would be catastrophic. But I suspect you know that too.
    Of course, Jonathan knows that: he's a sound man and good egg.

    He just gets a bit enthusiastically partisan at times like this.

    We all can.
    Solving other parties problems is easier.

    First you have decide on Boris once and for all.

    Then you need to choose between an ideological party focused on Brexit - Gove

    Or pragmatic managerial one nation party - Hunt or Rudd.
    I wish I could advise you how to solve yours.

    Sadly, I don't think I can. I don't think it's possible to reason with Leninists.
    I am part social democrat, part progressive economic liberal. New Labour pretty much ticked my box. As such I am an anachronism and spectator today.


    You are a Gladstonian Liberal.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 20,812

    Has the Minister for Appeasing the Tory Right and Getting Good Headlines in the Daily Mail by Pretending we are Planning for a No Deal Brexit been appointed yet?

    Is that going to be Jacob Rees-Mogg?
    Steve Baker according to speculation over the weekend.
    Oh, so we're still hitting 9.4 on the fruitloop scale.
    Yup, he gets tumescent at the prospect of no deal.

    https://news.sky.com/story/theresa-may-to-appoint-cabinet-member-for-no-deal-in-reshuffle-11199777
    When you have a minority government is promoting one of your least loyal MPs to a position of quasi Cabinet status (according to the ST) (a) smart because they are then micturating inside the tent; (b) stupid or (c) just inexplicable?
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 8,509

    Jonathan said:

    Jonathan said:

    JohnO said:

    Jonathan said:

    JohnO said:

    Jonathan said:

    JohnO said:

    I despair. She simply isn't up to it, is she?

    Er, yes. That has been obvious for some time, but your lot have some kind of fetish for more punishment.
    But who can take her place at present? And certainly not your grim and ghastly crowd.
    Your party needs to make a choice of direction and get on with it. You're currently pissing around in no man's land.
    And your party needs to regain its sanity. As Sean Fear wrote on the previous thread: this is a mediocre government but it's not doing much harm. Under its present leadership, Labour would be catastrophic. But I suspect you know that too.
    Of course, Jonathan knows that: he's a sound man and good egg.

    He just gets a bit enthusiastically partisan at times like this.

    We all can.
    Solving other parties problems is easier.

    First you have decide on Boris once and for all.

    Then you need to choose between an ideological party focused on Brexit - Gove

    Or pragmatic managerial one nation party - Hunt or Rudd.
    I wish I could advise you how to solve yours.

    Sadly, I don't think I can. I don't think it's possible to reason with Leninists.
    I am part social democrat, part progressive economic liberal. New Labour pretty much ticked my box. As such I am an anachronism and spectator today.


    You are a Gladstonian Liberal.
    Well quite. An even greater anachronism. Sigh.
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 3,197

    Green paper on social care now moved to Health Department. Sky reporting a chorus of approval for this move

    As a county councillor all I can say is that the sooner adult social care is reintegrated with the health service and funded by direct taxation, the better. The present arrangement is a nightmare.
  • DavidL said:

    Has the Minister for Appeasing the Tory Right and Getting Good Headlines in the Daily Mail by Pretending we are Planning for a No Deal Brexit been appointed yet?

    Is that going to be Jacob Rees-Mogg?
    Steve Baker according to speculation over the weekend.
    Oh, so we're still hitting 9.4 on the fruitloop scale.
    Yup, he gets tumescent at the prospect of no deal.

    https://news.sky.com/story/theresa-may-to-appoint-cabinet-member-for-no-deal-in-reshuffle-11199777
    When you have a minority government is promoting one of your least loyal MPs to a position of quasi Cabinet status (according to the ST) (a) smart because they are then micturating inside the tent; (b) stupid or (c) just inexplicable?
    This was my biggest fear about Brexit.

    It would see the headbanger Leavers take charge and throw out all of Cameron's good work.

    I fully expect Peter Bone to get a ministerial role tomorrow.
  • JohnO said:

    Has the Minister for Appeasing the Tory Right and Getting Good Headlines in the Daily Mail by Pretending we are Planning for a No Deal Brexit been appointed yet?

    Is that going to be Jacob Rees-Mogg?
    Steve Baker according to speculation over the weekend.
    Oh, so we're still hitting 9.4 on the fruitloop scale.
    Yup, he gets tumescent at the prospect of no deal.

    https://news.sky.com/story/theresa-may-to-appoint-cabinet-member-for-no-deal-in-reshuffle-11199777
    Don't ever, ever, mention Steve Baker in my presence!!!
    If I said what I really said what I think about Steve Baker I'd end up on the PB naughty step for the rest of the year.
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 3,197
    Fortuitously, I'm having supper tonight with a very old chum whose knowledge of the Tory party and all its works, even surpasses mine.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 24,532
    JohnO said:

    Has the Minister for Appeasing the Tory Right and Getting Good Headlines in the Daily Mail by Pretending we are Planning for a No Deal Brexit been appointed yet?

    Is that going to be Jacob Rees-Mogg?
    Steve Baker according to speculation over the weekend.
    Oh, so we're still hitting 9.4 on the fruitloop scale.
    Yup, he gets tumescent at the prospect of no deal.

    https://news.sky.com/story/theresa-may-to-appoint-cabinet-member-for-no-deal-in-reshuffle-11199777
    Don't ever, ever, mention Steve Baker in my presence!!!
    What's your beef with Steve Baker?

    We need to go for that drink.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 14,574
    Anazina said:

    Anazina said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    Anazina said:

    ORB's results for 'we will be economically better off' are approaching crossover.
    image

    That is sure the key metric.
    Only to Remainers.
    True enough, you are right. Leavers don't care about their country's economy or the wealth of its people. There is no price too high for the completion of their deranged project.
    I voted remain but expect to leave the EU in accordance with the democratic vote of the citizens. No one can say with any certainty the economic cost. It may just surprise on the upside
    And more likely it won't. Not that the Leavers will care. As long as they get blue passports and stop the 'foreigners' coming here, they will be happy enough.
    Immigration is necessary and welcome but needs to be controlled and open to anyone who can contribute to our economy but not by dik tat from Brussels
  • JohnO said:

    Fortuitously, I'm having supper tonight with a very old chum whose knowledge of the Tory party and all its works, even surpasses mine.

    We're having supper tonight?

    Enjoy your supper, I expect an email with the insights your chum shares with you tonight.
  • eekeek Posts: 2,004
    JohnO said:

    Green paper on social care now moved to Health Department. Sky reporting a chorus of approval for this move

    As a county councillor all I can say is that the sooner adult social care is reintegrated with the health service and funded by direct taxation, the better. The present arrangement is a nightmare.
    You mean adult social care is consuming all your council’s spare budget and more. I note that you aren’t suggesting that council tax should be reduced you seem to just want some money to spend on things that people want
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 24,532
    Jonathan said:

    Jonathan said:

    JohnO said:

    Jonathan said:

    JohnO said:

    Jonathan said:

    JohnO said:

    I despair. She simply isn't up to it, is she?

    Er, yes. That has been obvious for some time, but your lot have some kind of fetish for more punishment.
    But who can take her place at present? And certainly not your grim and ghastly crowd.
    Your party needs to make a choice of direction and get on with it. You're currently pissing around in no man's land.
    And your party needs to regain its sanity. As Sean Fear wrote on the previous thread: this is a mediocre government but it's not doing much harm. Under its present leadership, Labour would be catastrophic. But I suspect you know that too.
    Of course, Jonathan knows that: he's a sound man and good egg.

    He just gets a bit enthusiastically partisan at times like this.

    We all can.
    Solving other parties problems is easier.

    First you have decide on Boris once and for all.

    Then you need to choose between an ideological party focused on Brexit - Gove

    Or pragmatic managerial one nation party - Hunt or Rudd.
    I wish I could advise you how to solve yours.

    Sadly, I don't think I can. I don't think it's possible to reason with Leninists.
    I am part social democrat, part progressive economic liberal. New Labour pretty much ticked my box. As such I am an anachronism and spectator today.


    Yes, you have a brain, and you care. I'll never forget how reasonable you were to both sides during the EU referendum.

    Labour needs people like you.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 7,596
    Bit more of an opportunity to look Prime Ministerial though
  • AnazinaAnazina Posts: 1,447
    Jonathan said:

    Anazina said:

    JohnO said:

    Anazina said:

    JohnO said:

    Anazina said:

    JohnO said:

    JohnO said:

    Jonathan said:

    JohnO said:

    Jonathan said:

    JohnO said:

    I despair. She simply isn't up to it, is she?

    Er, yes. That has been obvious for some time, but your lot have some kind of fetish for more punishment.
    But who can take her place at present? And certainly not your grim and ghastly crowd.
    Your party needs to make a choice of direction and get on with it. You're currently pissing around in no man's land.
    And your party needs to regain its sanity. As Sean Fear wrote on the previous thread: this is a mediocre government but it's not doing much harm. Under its present leadership, Labour would be catastrophic. But I suspect you know that too.
    It's a mediocre government whose sole purpose at present is to implement Brexit, the most gratuitously harmful policy undertaken by a government in living memory.
    And one that you almost supported.
    I think it's impossible that anyone barring the clinically insane could support this dimwitted band of clowns and halfwits.
    When it is still head and shoulders better than the alternative, then the answer is a resounding yes.
    You do realise that it's not necessary to support anyone?
    Of course you can abstain but IMHO that's a cop-out.
    Not really. If offered the choice of eating dog poo or cat shit, I would politely abstain.
    But if the cat shit or dog poo were making decisions that impact others seriously you have a duty to find the least noxious taste for your pallette.
    My hope is that Thornberry will eventually get the Labour leadership, bringing sense back to proceedings.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 7,596

    DavidL said:

    Has the Minister for Appeasing the Tory Right and Getting Good Headlines in the Daily Mail by Pretending we are Planning for a No Deal Brexit been appointed yet?

    Is that going to be Jacob Rees-Mogg?
    Steve Baker according to speculation over the weekend.
    Oh, so we're still hitting 9.4 on the fruitloop scale.
    Yup, he gets tumescent at the prospect of no deal.

    https://news.sky.com/story/theresa-may-to-appoint-cabinet-member-for-no-deal-in-reshuffle-11199777
    When you have a minority government is promoting one of your least loyal MPs to a position of quasi Cabinet status (according to the ST) (a) smart because they are then micturating inside the tent; (b) stupid or (c) just inexplicable?
    This was my biggest fear about Brexit.

    It would see the headbanger Leavers take charge and throw out all of Cameron's good work.

    I fully expect Peter Bone to get a ministerial role tomorrow.
    My fear too. But look at them! Even BoJo and Gove aren't headbanging as much as they might.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 19,882

    Bit more of an opportunity to look Prime Ministerial though
    Will she feel the hand of history and call a border poll?
  • Bit more of an opportunity to look Prime Ministerial though
    I know it is a relatively recent cabinet role, but has any Northern Ireland Secretary ever gone on become Prime Minister/Party Leader?

    If there had been any justice Roy Mason should have.
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 3,197
    eek said:

    JohnO said:

    Green paper on social care now moved to Health Department. Sky reporting a chorus of approval for this move

    As a county councillor all I can say is that the sooner adult social care is reintegrated with the health service and funded by direct taxation, the better. The present arrangement is a nightmare.
    You mean adult social care is consuming all your council’s spare budget and more. I note that you aren’t suggesting that council tax should be reduced you seem to just want some money to spend on things that people want
    WHAT spare budget?!!!
  • DavidL said:

    Has the Minister for Appeasing the Tory Right and Getting Good Headlines in the Daily Mail by Pretending we are Planning for a No Deal Brexit been appointed yet?

    Is that going to be Jacob Rees-Mogg?
    Steve Baker according to speculation over the weekend.
    Oh, so we're still hitting 9.4 on the fruitloop scale.
    Yup, he gets tumescent at the prospect of no deal.

    https://news.sky.com/story/theresa-may-to-appoint-cabinet-member-for-no-deal-in-reshuffle-11199777
    When you have a minority government is promoting one of your least loyal MPs to a position of quasi Cabinet status (according to the ST) (a) smart because they are then micturating inside the tent; (b) stupid or (c) just inexplicable?
    This was my biggest fear about Brexit.

    It would see the headbanger Leavers take charge and throw out all of Cameron's good work.

    I fully expect Peter Bone to get a ministerial role tomorrow.
    My fear too. But look at them! Even BoJo and Gove aren't headbanging as much as they might.
    Gove and BoJo are the biggest obstacles to us going down the EEA route.
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 3,197
    JohnO said:

    eek said:

    JohnO said:

    Green paper on social care now moved to Health Department. Sky reporting a chorus of approval for this move

    As a county councillor all I can say is that the sooner adult social care is reintegrated with the health service and funded by direct taxation, the better. The present arrangement is a nightmare.
    You mean adult social care is consuming all your council’s spare budget and more. I note that you aren’t suggesting that council tax should be reduced you seem to just want some money to spend on things that people want
    WHAT spare budget?!!!
    Or did you mean sparse budget? If the latter, you bet....which means other important services are being very seriously affected.

    Anyway, off to catch a train if SWR are running any.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 24,532
    edited January 8

    DavidL said:

    Has the Minister for Appeasing the Tory Right and Getting Good Headlines in the Daily Mail by Pretending we are Planning for a No Deal Brexit been appointed yet?

    Is that going to be Jacob Rees-Mogg?
    Steve Baker according to speculation over the weekend.
    Oh, so we're still hitting 9.4 on the fruitloop scale.
    Yup, he gets tumescent at the prospect of no deal.

    https://news.sky.com/story/theresa-may-to-appoint-cabinet-member-for-no-deal-in-reshuffle-11199777
    When you have a minority government is promoting one of your least loyal MPs to a position of quasi Cabinet status (according to the ST) (a) smart because they are then micturating inside the tent; (b) stupid or (c) just inexplicable?
    This was my biggest fear about Brexit.

    It would see the headbanger Leavers take charge and throw out all of Cameron's good work.

    I fully expect Peter Bone to get a ministerial role tomorrow.
    My fear too. But look at them! Even BoJo and Gove aren't headbanging as much as they might.
    Gove and BoJo are the biggest obstacles to us going down the EEA route.
    It's not pure EEA, though. It can't be. It's part EEA, part equivalence and part divergence (medium-long term).

    For all the noise and mood music, I think Theresa May has broadly the right strategy.

    Right, now, where's my phone call?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 19,882

    DavidL said:

    Has the Minister for Appeasing the Tory Right and Getting Good Headlines in the Daily Mail by Pretending we are Planning for a No Deal Brexit been appointed yet?

    Is that going to be Jacob Rees-Mogg?
    Steve Baker according to speculation over the weekend.
    Oh, so we're still hitting 9.4 on the fruitloop scale.
    Yup, he gets tumescent at the prospect of no deal.

    https://news.sky.com/story/theresa-may-to-appoint-cabinet-member-for-no-deal-in-reshuffle-11199777
    When you have a minority government is promoting one of your least loyal MPs to a position of quasi Cabinet status (according to the ST) (a) smart because they are then micturating inside the tent; (b) stupid or (c) just inexplicable?
    This was my biggest fear about Brexit.

    It would see the headbanger Leavers take charge and throw out all of Cameron's good work.

    I fully expect Peter Bone to get a ministerial role tomorrow.
    My fear too. But look at them! Even BoJo and Gove aren't headbanging as much as they might.
    Gove and BoJo are the biggest obstacles to us going down the EEA route.
    The only way they can avoid it might be to back a second referendum with an option to remain.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 6,872

    Has the Minister for Appeasing the Tory Right and Getting Good Headlines in the Daily Mail by Pretending we are Planning for a No Deal Brexit been appointed yet?

    Is that going to be Jacob Rees-Mogg?
    Steve Baker according to speculation over the weekend.
    Oh, so we're still hitting 9.4 on the fruitloop scale.
    Yup, he gets tumescent at the prospect of no deal.

    https://news.sky.com/story/theresa-may-to-appoint-cabinet-member-for-no-deal-in-reshuffle-11199777
    Heh, thanks to you, "tumescent" is one of my favourite newly-discovered words :D
  • Chris_AChris_A Posts: 959
    Is that it?
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 7,596

    DavidL said:

    Has the Minister for Appeasing the Tory Right and Getting Good Headlines in the Daily Mail by Pretending we are Planning for a No Deal Brexit been appointed yet?

    Is that going to be Jacob Rees-Mogg?
    Steve Baker according to speculation over the weekend.
    Oh, so we're still hitting 9.4 on the fruitloop scale.
    Yup, he gets tumescent at the prospect of no deal.

    https://news.sky.com/story/theresa-may-to-appoint-cabinet-member-for-no-deal-in-reshuffle-11199777
    When you have a minority government is promoting one of your least loyal MPs to a position of quasi Cabinet status (according to the ST) (a) smart because they are then micturating inside the tent; (b) stupid or (c) just inexplicable?
    This was my biggest fear about Brexit.

    It would see the headbanger Leavers take charge and throw out all of Cameron's good work.

    I fully expect Peter Bone to get a ministerial role tomorrow.
    My fear too. But look at them! Even BoJo and Gove aren't headbanging as much as they might.
    Gove and BoJo are the biggest obstacles to us going down the EEA route.
    If "not EEA" supporters are hardliners, not sure what you'd make of the awkward squad being near the cabinet...
  • eekeek Posts: 2,004
    JohnO said:

    JohnO said:

    eek said:

    JohnO said:

    Green paper on social care now moved to Health Department. Sky reporting a chorus of approval for this move

    As a county councillor all I can say is that the sooner adult social care is reintegrated with the health service and funded by direct taxation, the better. The present arrangement is a nightmare.
    You mean adult social care is consuming all your council’s spare budget and more. I note that you aren’t suggesting that council tax should be reduced you seem to just want some money to spend on things that people want
    WHAT spare budget?!!!
    Or did you mean sparse budget? If the latter, you bet....which means other important services are being very seriously affected.

    Anyway, off to catch a train if SWR are running any.
    Come up north where are adult social care budget means that we currently offer nothing more than core services and even then many councils play the game of how can we cut those core services further.

    The point is that we are already taxed enough, so given that we can’t introduce a social care charge thanks to an ill thought out manifesto announcement from I’m guessing your political leader how do you propose to fix things. All I see in your comment is rescue is from a problem which locally I can blame on ill thought through politics back in 2010
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 66,813
    edited January 8
    Danny565 said:

    Has the Minister for Appeasing the Tory Right and Getting Good Headlines in the Daily Mail by Pretending we are Planning for a No Deal Brexit been appointed yet?

    Is that going to be Jacob Rees-Mogg?
    Steve Baker according to speculation over the weekend.
    Oh, so we're still hitting 9.4 on the fruitloop scale.
    Yup, he gets tumescent at the prospect of no deal.

    https://news.sky.com/story/theresa-may-to-appoint-cabinet-member-for-no-deal-in-reshuffle-11199777
    Heh, thanks to you, "tumescent" is one of my favourite newly-discovered words :D
    If you love that, then you'll love 'masticate/masticating'

    I like to use it in the sentence 'Please don't masticate in my presence' or 'Stop masticating in public'
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 15,168

    Bit more of an opportunity to look Prime Ministerial though
    I know it is a relatively recent cabinet role, but has any Northern Ireland Secretary ever gone on become Prime Minister/Party Leader?

    If there had been any justice Roy Mason should have.
    Balfour was Chief Sec for Ireland before being PM
  • Bit more of an opportunity to look Prime Ministerial though
    I know it is a relatively recent cabinet role, but has any Northern Ireland Secretary ever gone on become Prime Minister/Party Leader?

    If there had been any justice Roy Mason should have.
    Balfour was Chief Sec for Ireland before being PM
    Cheers
  • JonathanDJonathanD Posts: 2,117
    The third runway at Heathrow, we've not heard anything about that in a long while
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 15,168
    Where is Rory?
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 3,640
    Complete Tangent - but I directed John Blake in a couple of shows when he was a student.
  • AnazinaAnazina Posts: 1,447
    Very wise move by Justine if true. May offering her that poisoned chalice was just bitchiness of the worst order. Theresa makes another talented enemy. Funny old world.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 7,596
    A shock. A minister who likes his department.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 15,168
    Who was doing Justice?
  • Who was doing Justice?

    David Lidington
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 7,596

    Who was doing Justice?

    David Lidington
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 15,168
    Hunt will now almost certainly become longest ever serving Health Sec in June.
  • YorkcityYorkcity Posts: 3,346
    Be good if the housing minister took a serious look at UK housebuilders selling new houses on a leasehold basis.Seems to me just a scam to make more money .Also it leaves the buyers in a leasehold property trap.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 15,168

    Who was doing Justice?

    David Lidington
    Thanks
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 7,596
    Yorkcity said:

    Be good if the housing minister took a serious look at UK housebuilders selling new houses on a leasehold basis.Seems to me just a scam to make more money .Also it leaves the buyers in a leasehold property trap.

    It's going to be banned, the government has announced.

    Interestingly they are seeking to bean leasehold "houses" (i.e. not flats) rather than just escalating ground rents. I do wonder how that is supposed to work.
  • midwintermidwinter Posts: 1,069
    Anazina said:

    Very wise move by Justine if true. May offering her that poisoned chalice was just bitchiness of the worst order. Theresa makes another talented enemy. Funny old world.
    Indeed. She doesn't seem the type to snipe too loudly from the back benches so an easy target for TM. Another of the good guys goes
  • David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 5,200
    Yorkcity said:

    Be good if the housing minister took a serious look at UK housebuilders selling new houses on a leasehold basis.Seems to me just a scam to make more money .Also it leaves the buyers in a leasehold property trap.

    Already been stopped.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 9,936

    Yorkcity said:

    Be good if the housing minister took a serious look at UK housebuilders selling new houses on a leasehold basis.Seems to me just a scam to make more money .Also it leaves the buyers in a leasehold property trap.

    Already been stopped.
    CE of Persimmon been awarded a £110m bonus for boosting profits mainly due to Leasehold trap according to Look North.
  • David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 5,200
    edited January 8

    A shock. A minister who likes his department.
    Hancock gets Culture Media and also Sport
  • YorkcityYorkcity Posts: 3,346

    Yorkcity said:

    Be good if the housing minister took a serious look at UK housebuilders selling new houses on a leasehold basis.Seems to me just a scam to make more money .Also it leaves the buyers in a leasehold property trap.

    Already been stopped.
    Thanks David TWR , I am glad if that is the case .Not good practice for new build housing.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 7,596

    A shock. A minister who likes his department.
    Hancock gets Culture Media and also Sport
    and digital which is his passion. and arguably more important.
  • David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 5,200

    A shock. A minister who likes his department.
    Hancock gets Culture Media and also Sport
    and digital which is his passion. and arguably more important.
    How many digits does a hancock have? 21?
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 8,509
    Reshuffles are odd. In a business you would square whether someone wanted a job and confirm it before publicly announcing or let alone negotiating anything in public.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 18,424
    edited January 8

    Yorkcity said:

    Be good if the housing minister took a serious look at UK housebuilders selling new houses on a leasehold basis.Seems to me just a scam to make more money .Also it leaves the buyers in a leasehold property trap.

    Already been stopped.
    CE of Persimmon been awarded a £110m bonus for boosting profits mainly due to Leasehold trap according to Look North.
    I don't think that Persimmon has been particularly bad in this respect, has it? It's Taylor Wimpey and some other firms who had the unreasonable terms in their leases (which BTW the purchasers' solicitors should have noticed).
  • YorkcityYorkcity Posts: 3,346
    edited January 8

    Yorkcity said:

    Be good if the housing minister took a serious look at UK housebuilders selling new houses on a leasehold basis.Seems to me just a scam to make more money .Also it leaves the buyers in a leasehold property trap.

    Already been stopped.
    CE of Persimmon been awarded a £110m bonus for boosting profits mainly due to Leasehold trap according to Look North.
    Yes saw the same report .Not very ethical business.Glad it is going to be stopped http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2017/12/21/government-announces-ban-new-leasehold-houses-crackdown-feudal/
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 7,596

    Yorkcity said:

    Be good if the housing minister took a serious look at UK housebuilders selling new houses on a leasehold basis.Seems to me just a scam to make more money .Also it leaves the buyers in a leasehold property trap.

    Already been stopped.
    CE of Persimmon been awarded a £110m bonus for boosting profits mainly due to Leasehold trap according to Look North.
    I don't think that Persimmon has been particularly bad in this respect, has it? It's Taylor Wimpey and some other firms who had the unreasonable terms in their leases (which BTW the purchasers' solicitors should have noticed).
    Taylor Wimpey set a trap, and solicitors walked into it. Of course, lawyers are in the business of spotting traps, but there we go.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 42,736
    The main thing was to get through Phase 1 of the talks last year and onto FTA talks which was achieved
  • crandlescrandles Posts: 26

    Yorkcity said:

    Be good if the housing minister took a serious look at UK housebuilders selling new houses on a leasehold basis.Seems to me just a scam to make more money .Also it leaves the buyers in a leasehold property trap.

    It's going to be banned, the government has announced.

    Interestingly they are seeking to bean leasehold "houses" (i.e. not flats) rather than just escalating ground rents. I do wonder how that is supposed to work.
    Thats cos you can't ban leasehold flats, the flats belong to whoever owns the land so to do flats on different floors belonging to different people there is no other way than having leasehold flats. Think they are just banning new leasehold houses.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 2,313
    Good grief! Liam Fox remains doing whatever he does...
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 8,572

    A shock. A minister who likes his department.
    Hancock gets Culture Media and also Sport
    w1a?
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 18,424

    Yorkcity said:

    Be good if the housing minister took a serious look at UK housebuilders selling new houses on a leasehold basis.Seems to me just a scam to make more money .Also it leaves the buyers in a leasehold property trap.

    Already been stopped.
    CE of Persimmon been awarded a £110m bonus for boosting profits mainly due to Leasehold trap according to Look North.
    I don't think that Persimmon has been particularly bad in this respect, has it? It's Taylor Wimpey and some other firms who had the unreasonable terms in their leases (which BTW the purchasers' solicitors should have noticed).
    Taylor Wimpey set a trap, and solicitors walked into it. Of course, lawyers are in the business of spotting traps, but there we go.
    The entire purpose of lawyers is to protect you from this kind of thing. It seems to me that they've got off scot-free.
  • David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 5,200

    A shock. A minister who likes his department.
    Hancock gets Culture Media and also Sport
    w1a?
    Glad someone is following.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 42,736

    FPT as more relevant here:

    HYUFD said:

    No it isn't, even Barnier has said we will get a Canada style FTA on goods if we leave the single market and end free movement
    Where ‘we’ doesn’t mean the United Kingdom, but Great Britain. Can the Conservative and Unionist Party, propped up by the DUP, afford to do that?

    Wrong again, it was agreement over the Irish border and some regulatory alignment which enabled FTA talks to begin but free movement will still end and we will still leave the single market
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 18,424
    Reports that Chuka Umanna has flounced out of a PLP meeting because Corbyn has reiterated Labour's policy of leaving the Single Market and Customs Union:

    18:55

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2018/jan/08/cabinet-reshuffle-theresa-may-tory-government-pm-to-start-shifting-ministers-politics-live
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 6,380
    Worst news of the day - Grayling stays in post
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 19,882
    HYUFD said:

    FPT as more relevant here:

    HYUFD said:

    No it isn't, even Barnier has said we will get a Canada style FTA on goods if we leave the single market and end free movement
    Where ‘we’ doesn’t mean the United Kingdom, but Great Britain. Can the Conservative and Unionist Party, propped up by the DUP, afford to do that?

    Wrong again, it was agreement over the Irish border and some regulatory alignment which enabled FTA talks to begin but free movement will still end and we will still leave the single market
    Do you really believe the agreement means that a Canada style deal could apply to Northern Ireland?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 42,736

    Reports that Chuka Umanna has flounced out of a PLP meeting because Corbyn has reiterated Labour's policy of leaving the Single Market and Customs Union:

    18:55

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2018/jan/08/cabinet-reshuffle-theresa-may-tory-government-pm-to-start-shifting-ministers-politics-live

    The battle between Umunna and Corbyn's view of the Labour Party will dominate Labour for the next decade, Umunna clearly wants to be Macron to Corbyn's Hollande
  • YorkcityYorkcity Posts: 3,346

    Yorkcity said:

    Be good if the housing minister took a serious look at UK housebuilders selling new houses on a leasehold basis.Seems to me just a scam to make more money .Also it leaves the buyers in a leasehold property trap.

    Already been stopped.
    CE of Persimmon been awarded a £110m bonus for boosting profits mainly due to Leasehold trap according to Look North.
    I don't think that Persimmon has been particularly bad in this respect, has it? It's Taylor Wimpey and some other firms who had the unreasonable terms in their leases (which BTW the purchasers' solicitors should have noticed).
    Taylor Wimpey set a trap, and solicitors walked into it. Of course, lawyers are in the business of spotting traps, but there we go.
    The entire purpose of lawyers is to protect you from this kind of thing. It seems to me that they've got off scot-free.
    Yes I appreciate there is a housing shortage, but surely the solicitors adviced their clients buying a new build house on a leaseholder agreement rather than a freehold , is not a good idea.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 42,736
    edited January 8
    crandles said:

    Yorkcity said:

    Be good if the housing minister took a serious look at UK housebuilders selling new houses on a leasehold basis.Seems to me just a scam to make more money .Also it leaves the buyers in a leasehold property trap.

    It's going to be banned, the government has announced.

    Interestingly they are seeking to bean leasehold "houses" (i.e. not flats) rather than just escalating ground rents. I do wonder how that is supposed to work.
    Thats cos you can't ban leasehold flats, the flats belong to whoever owns the land so to do flats on different floors belonging to different people there is no other way than having leasehold flats. Think they are just banning new leasehold houses.
    Exactly, almost all flats are leasehold including my own unless leaseholders collectively buy the freehold. Houses though should be freehold
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 6,380
    Give it to Esther. She oozes empathy.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 21,878

    Yorkcity said:

    Be good if the housing minister took a serious look at UK housebuilders selling new houses on a leasehold basis.Seems to me just a scam to make more money .Also it leaves the buyers in a leasehold property trap.

    Already been stopped.
    CE of Persimmon been awarded a £110m bonus for boosting profits mainly due to Leasehold trap according to Look North.
    I don't think that Persimmon has been particularly bad in this respect, has it? It's Taylor Wimpey and some other firms who had the unreasonable terms in their leases (which BTW the purchasers' solicitors should have noticed).
    Taylor Wimpey set a trap, and solicitors walked into it. Of course, lawyers are in the business of spotting traps, but there we go.
    The entire purpose of lawyers is to protect you from this kind of thing. It seems to me that they've got off scot-free.
    If they're new builds, the developer will offer to pay the buyer's legal fees, so long as they use the solicitor he chooses. That solicitor will then protect himself by writing pages of gobbledegook to the buyer. "What, you mean you didn't read the pile of documents and reports I sent you?"
  • PClippPClipp Posts: 1,592
    JohnO said:

    Green paper on social care now moved to Health Department. Sky reporting a chorus of approval for this move

    As a county councillor all I can say is that the sooner adult social care is reintegrated with the health service and funded by direct taxation, the better. The present arrangement is a nightmare.
    I thought that was what the Coalition Government was working towards. Unfortunately the Independent Conservative Government put an end to it. And now they seem to be doing a U-turn.

    I see the Conservatives as just incompetent.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 42,736

    HYUFD said:

    FPT as more relevant here:

    HYUFD said:

    No it isn't, even Barnier has said we will get a Canada style FTA on goods if we leave the single market and end free movement
    Where ‘we’ doesn’t mean the United Kingdom, but Great Britain. Can the Conservative and Unionist Party, propped up by the DUP, afford to do that?

    Wrong again, it was agreement over the Irish border and some regulatory alignment which enabled FTA talks to begin but free movement will still end and we will still leave the single market
    Do you really believe the agreement means that a Canada style deal could apply to Northern Ireland?
    As I said the regulatory alignment in so far as NI goes will apply but the UK will still end free movement and leave the single market
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 10,600
    HYUFD said:

    crandles said:

    Yorkcity said:

    Be good if the housing minister took a serious look at UK housebuilders selling new houses on a leasehold basis.Seems to me just a scam to make more money .Also it leaves the buyers in a leasehold property trap.

    It's going to be banned, the government has announced.

    Interestingly they are seeking to bean leasehold "houses" (i.e. not flats) rather than just escalating ground rents. I do wonder how that is supposed to work.
    Thats cos you can't ban leasehold flats, the flats belong to whoever owns the land so to do flats on different floors belonging to different people there is no other way than having leasehold flats. Think they are just banning new leasehold houses.
    Exactly, almost all flats are leasehold including my own. Houses though should be freehold
    My uncle had a freehold flat in Penzance. Residents in the block decided things like repainting by a joint residents' committee. Because this was an informal arrangement of elderly people the solicitor anticipated some trouble in selling when he moved into care, but not so - there was a brisk auction between rival buyers.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 42,736

    HYUFD said:

    crandles said:

    Yorkcity said:

    Be good if the housing minister took a serious look at UK housebuilders selling new houses on a leasehold basis.Seems to me just a scam to make more money .Also it leaves the buyers in a leasehold property trap.

    It's going to be banned, the government has announced.

    Interestingly they are seeking to bean leasehold "houses" (i.e. not flats) rather than just escalating ground rents. I do wonder how that is supposed to work.
    Thats cos you can't ban leasehold flats, the flats belong to whoever owns the land so to do flats on different floors belonging to different people there is no other way than having leasehold flats. Think they are just banning new leasehold houses.
    Exactly, almost all flats are leasehold including my own. Houses though should be freehold
    My uncle had a freehold flat in Penzance. Residents in the block decided things like repainting by a joint residents' committee. Because this was an informal arrangement of elderly people the solicitor anticipated some trouble in selling when he moved into care, but not so - there was a brisk auction between rival buyers.
    You can buy the freehold but it has to be held collectively by all flat owners yes
  • brendan16brendan16 Posts: 1,037

    Reports that Chuka Umanna has flounced out of a PLP meeting because Corbyn has reiterated Labour's policy of leaving the Single Market and Customs Union:

    18:55

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2018/jan/08/cabinet-reshuffle-theresa-may-tory-government-pm-to-start-shifting-ministers-politics-live

    Has Corbyn cleared the line with Keir Starmer?

    Neither major party seems entirely clear what their position is - including how we solve the Irish border issue if we leave the customs union.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 10,600
    edited January 8
    We're running out of Cabinet slots, so I assume Gove is staying put? Good. Though there's still DWP and I suppose Education if she's quit.

    Edit: confirmed. Yay!
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 19,882
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    FPT as more relevant here:

    HYUFD said:

    No it isn't, even Barnier has said we will get a Canada style FTA on goods if we leave the single market and end free movement
    Where ‘we’ doesn’t mean the United Kingdom, but Great Britain. Can the Conservative and Unionist Party, propped up by the DUP, afford to do that?

    Wrong again, it was agreement over the Irish border and some regulatory alignment which enabled FTA talks to begin but free movement will still end and we will still leave the single market
    Do you really believe the agreement means that a Canada style deal could apply to Northern Ireland?
    As I said the regulatory alignment in so far as NI goes will apply but the UK will still end free movement and leave the single market
    Will a Polish citizen in Dublin need a work permit to transfer to the Belfast branch of their company or will free movement apply?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 42,736
    PClipp said:

    JohnO said:

    Green paper on social care now moved to Health Department. Sky reporting a chorus of approval for this move

    As a county councillor all I can say is that the sooner adult social care is reintegrated with the health service and funded by direct taxation, the better. The present arrangement is a nightmare.
    I thought that was what the Coalition Government was working towards. Unfortunately the Independent Conservative Government put an end to it. And now they seem to be doing a U-turn.

    I see the Conservatives as just incompetent.
    Both the health service and social care should be largely funded by National Insurance
  • YorkcityYorkcity Posts: 3,346
    Sean_F said:

    Yorkcity said:

    Be good if the housing minister took a serious look at UK housebuilders selling new houses on a leasehold basis.Seems to me just a scam to make more money .Also it leaves the buyers in a leasehold property trap.

    Already been stopped.
    CE of Persimmon been awarded a £110m bonus for boosting profits mainly due to Leasehold trap according to Look North.
    I don't think that Persimmon has been particularly bad in this respect, has it? It's Taylor Wimpey and some other firms who had the unreasonable terms in their leases (which BTW the purchasers' solicitors should have noticed).
    Taylor Wimpey set a trap, and solicitors walked into it. Of course, lawyers are in the business of spotting traps, but there we go.
    The entire purpose of lawyers is to protect you from this kind of thing. It seems to me that they've got off scot-free.
    If they're new builds, the developer will offer to pay the buyer's legal fees, so long as they use the solicitor he chooses. That solicitor will then protect himself by writing pages of gobbledegook to the buyer. "What, you mean you didn't read the pile of documents and reports I sent you?"
    I suppose people who have bought a new build house on a leasehold basis will now be in a difficult position when selling the property.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 42,736

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    FPT as more relevant here:

    HYUFD said:

    No it isn't, even Barnier has said we will get a Canada style FTA on goods if we leave the single market and end free movement
    Where ‘we’ doesn’t mean the United Kingdom, but Great Britain. Can the Conservative and Unionist Party, propped up by the DUP, afford to do that?

    Wrong again, it was agreement over the Irish border and some regulatory alignment which enabled FTA talks to begin but free movement will still end and we will still leave the single market
    Do you really believe the agreement means that a Canada style deal could apply to Northern Ireland?
    As I said the regulatory alignment in so far as NI goes will apply but the UK will still end free movement and leave the single market
    Will a Polish citizen in Dublin need a work permit to transfer to the Belfast branch of their company or will free movement apply?
    Probably the former but as NI voted Remain some flexibility could be allowed, it is England and Wales where free movement really has to end as both voted Leave
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