FPT: Mr. Anazina, it's almost as if one's a nickname and one's just pejorative.
*sighs*
You keep bleating on about that. As for 'pearl clutching', I was quite content to immediately refrain from using a term I'd rarely heard used but was informed by someone here was offensive to Scots. I didn't accuse him of pearl clutching or whatever nonsense people without an argument claim to try and invalidate someone's perspective.
> @GIN1138 said: > > @FrancisUrquhart said: > > Is it this a safe space or might I get milkshaked? > > Do you deserve to be milkshaked?
Well I did say that I didn't think Carl Benjamin's YouTube channel should have been demonetized, so that makes me alt-right adjacent in some people's eyes and therefore probably fair game these days.....
> @Pulpstar said: > > @TheWhiteRabbit said: > > Why was 1999 so low? > > Peak "I'll vote for Tony at the GE but can't be arsed at any other point" Labour vote I think.
Thanks, guys, I didn't vote in '99 either! I can't remember why - think it was because I wasn't really aware of them, or I might have been busy with my Post-Grad studies (at Imperial).
> @Morris_Dancer said: > Mr. 86, I might write one of my many marvellous jests. > > "Vote for this lot? It's about as tempting a prospect as a handjob from Edward Scissorhands."
> @TheScreamingEagles said: > Is it this a safe space or might I get milkshaked? > > I’d be more worried about being hit by a pizza with pineapple on it.
Did you see in the last thread that not only is Mark Reckless a traitorous pig dog, he is also a poll embargo breaker...
> @Tissue_Price said: > On-topic: I still don't know how I'm voting. > > Spoiled ballot is currently the likeliest option. > > Write "BREXIT" with the X in the Conservative box. It will give the agent something to do.
> @Tissue_Price said: > On-topic: I still don't know how I'm voting. > > Spoiled ballot is currently the likeliest option. > > Write "BREXIT" with the X in the Conservative box. It will give the agent something to do.
How do agents work for the Euros? Is one appointed in every LA area to be present at that count?
> Hmm, I wonder why Tissue_Price would advocate (in a rather cheeky manner) voting Tory?
I thought members of the Conservative Party advocating voting Brexit Party or LibDem these days. To find one urging people to vote Conservative is something of a novelty.
> @MikeSmithson said: > One of the great hings about having a postal vote is that there can be no last minute change of mind after you've popped it in the post.
One of the not so great things about a postal vote is not knowing whether the letter with the ballot paper is going to turn up!
I'll also reiterate Berry @ 100-1 and Benita @ 33-1 are well worth taking cover on for the mayoral election in London with Labour's bubble somewhat bursting there.
The big misprice is Shaun Bailey who at 11-2 or whatever looks way too short - Khan still fairly priced at 1.3 or so.
What caused the surge in green votes in 1989? Was it the recent discovery of the ozone hole?
It would have been my first Euro-Vote: I think that was the year that in Bristol we voted out a particularly arrogant MEP who was afraid of flying and one time he stormed the cockpit because the stewardess insisted he fastened his seat belt.
> @Peter_the_Punter said: > > @Morris_Dancer said: > > On-topic: I still don't know how I'm voting. > > > > Spoiled ballot is currently the likeliest option. > > One trusts it will be spoiled in some style, Morris. May I suggest the following inscription: > > "Non amo te, Mrs May, nec possum dicere quare. > Hoc tantum possum dicere: non amo te."
I do not like thee, Mrs. May. The reason why, I cannot say. But this I know in every way, I do not like thee, Mrs. May.
> @eristdoof said: > > @MikeSmithson said: > > One of the great hings about having a postal vote is that there can be no last minute change of mind after you've popped it in the post. > > One of the not so great things about a postal vote is not knowing whether the letter with the ballot paper is going to turn up!
I sent mine by Fedex from the US and A to ensure it got there in time. Tracking says it was delivered today. Cost me just short of $70. I really can’t decide if it’s one of the most wisest or most foolish seventy bucks I’ve spent.
> @Pulpstar said: > What's the actual difference between Change UK and the Lib Dems ? > > I can see clear differentiation between all the other parties to a lesser or greater degree but I'm struggling with CHUK and Lib Dems.
CHUK want to revoke now. They appear to want to change the UK by removing democracy.
> @Nigelb said: > > @Peter_the_Punter said: > > > @Morris_Dancer said: > > > On-topic: I still don't know how I'm voting. > > > > > > Spoiled ballot is currently the likeliest option. > > > > One trusts it will be spoiled in some style, Morris. May I suggest the following inscription: > > > > "Non amo te, Mrs May, nec possum dicere quare. > > Hoc tantum possum dicere: non amo te." > > I do not like thee, Mrs. May. > The reason why, I cannot say. > But this I know in every way, > I do not like thee, Mrs. May.
Beautiful translation, Nigel. You are evidently a scholar as well as a gentleman.
> @Peter_the_Punter said: > > @Nigelb said: > > > @Peter_the_Punter said: > > > > @Morris_Dancer said: > > > > On-topic: I still don't know how I'm voting. > > > > > > > > Spoiled ballot is currently the likeliest option. > > > > > > One trusts it will be spoiled in some style, Morris. May I suggest the following inscription: > > > > > > "Non amo te, Mrs May, nec possum dicere quare. > > > Hoc tantum possum dicere: non amo te." > > > > I do not like thee, Mrs. May. > > The reason why, I cannot say. > > But this I know in every way, > > I do not like thee, Mrs. May. > > Beautiful translation, Nigel. You are evidently a scholar as well as a gentleman.
> @Pulpstar said: > What's the actual difference between Change UK and the Lib Dems ? > > I can see clear differentiation between all the other parties to a lesser or greater degree but I'm struggling with CHUK and Lib Dems.
CHUK is little more than "we don't like the tories and we don't like Labour and we want to remain"
The LD'S are a well organised party with a full mainfesto at each national election, many councillors throughout GB and hope to form coalition governments.
> @rpjs said: > > @eristdoof said: > > > @MikeSmithson said: > > > One of the great hings about having a postal vote is that there can be no last minute change of mind after you've popped it in the post. > > > > One of the not so great things about a postal vote is not knowing whether the letter with the ballot paper is going to turn up! > > I sent mine by Fedex from the US and A to ensure it got there in time. Tracking says it was delivered today. Cost me just short of $70. I really can’t decide if it’s one of the most wisest or most foolish seventy bucks I’ve spent.
Bloody yanks interfering with our elections. First Obama, now this....
> @RobD said: > > @rpjs said: > > > @eristdoof said: > > > > @MikeSmithson said: > > > > One of the great hings about having a postal vote is that there can be no last minute change of mind after you've popped it in the post. > > > > > > One of the not so great things about a postal vote is not knowing whether the letter with the ballot paper is going to turn up! > > > > I sent mine by Fedex from the US and A to ensure it got there in time. Tracking says it was delivered today. Cost me just short of $70. I really can’t decide if it’s one of the most wisest or most foolish seventy bucks I’ve spent. > > Bloody yanks interfering with our elections. First Obama, now this.... > > >
> @eristdoof said: > > @Pulpstar said: > > What's the actual difference between Change UK and the Lib Dems ? > > > > I can see clear differentiation between all the other parties to a lesser or greater degree but I'm struggling with CHUK and Lib Dems. > > CHUK is little more than "we don't like the tories and we don't like Labour and we want to remain" > > The LD'S are a well organised party with a full mainfesto at each national election, many councillors throughout GB and hope to form coalition governments. > > They seem quite different to me. >
Sure, my question was more aimed at what the hell is the point of CHUK ?
Now UKIP has obviously died on its arse so there was a need to rebrand the leave project... the Lib Dems are looking up though - so just quite simply what was/is the point of CHUK !
I think the question begs the answer 'not much point' - and it is reflected in the polling.
Pulpstar, in answer to your rather dismissive question on the last thread, my 'point' was contained in the opening question.
Where do we draw the line about what is and is not acceptable? We will all advocate some forms of demonstration presumably, but when, how, where and against whom are lines of appropriate behaviour crossed?
I would repost my previous lengthy homily on the subject but you clearly don't have the appetite or courtesy to engage with it. Which is of course your prerogative
> @RobD said: > > @rpjs said: > > > @eristdoof said: > > > > @MikeSmithson said: > > > > One of the great hings about having a postal vote is that there can be no last minute change of mind after you've popped it in the post. > > > > > > One of the not so great things about a postal vote is not knowing whether the letter with the ballot paper is going to turn up! > > > > I sent mine by Fedex from the US and A to ensure it got there in time. Tracking says it was delivered today. Cost me just short of $70. I really can’t decide if it’s one of the most wisest or most foolish seventy bucks I’ve spent. > > Bloody yanks interfering with our elections. First Obama, now this.... > > >
I am Schrodinger's Subject. I renounced my allegiance to the Queen in 2017, but Brenda is saying "la la la I can't hear you"
Oh and one final comment, admittedly slightly anecdotal.
I've noticed the level of hate in this country has soared in the last few years. Since about 2015 actually. Just hate. For so many things and, often, so many people.
Tolerance, finding middle ground, courtesy seem to be evaporating.
I'm not pointing the finger at particular politicians but, yes, I do cite Brexit as a major contributing factor. It has induced awful polarisation and lack of respect.
> @rpjs said: > > @RobD said: > > > @rpjs said: > > > > @eristdoof said: > > > > > @MikeSmithson said: > > > > > One of the great hings about having a postal vote is that there can be no last minute change of mind after you've popped it in the post. > > > > > > > > One of the not so great things about a postal vote is not knowing whether the letter with the ballot paper is going to turn up! > > > > > > I sent mine by Fedex from the US and A to ensure it got there in time. Tracking says it was delivered today. Cost me just short of $70. I really can’t decide if it’s one of the most wisest or most foolish seventy bucks I’ve spent. > > > > Bloody yanks interfering with our elections. First Obama, now this.... > > > > > > > > I am Schrodinger's Subject. I renounced my allegiance to the Queen in 2017, but Brenda is saying "la la la I can't hear you"
> @SandyRentool said: > > @RobD said: > > > Hmm, I wonder why Tissue_Price would advocate (in a rather cheeky manner) voting Tory? > > I thought members of the Conservative Party advocating voting Brexit Party or LibDem these days. To find one urging people to vote Conservative is something of a novelty.
Just seen the header on the previous thread, and I think Labour have made a big mistake by putting Farage into the same category as Tommy Robinson. Most people wouldn't agree with that comparison.
> @Mysticrose said: > Oh and one final comment, admittedly slightly anecdotal. > > I've noticed the level of hate in this country has soared in the last few years. Since about 2015 actually. Just hate. For so many things and, often, so many people. > > Tolerance, finding middle ground, courtesy seem to be evaporating. > > I'm not pointing the finger at particular politicians but, yes, I do cite Brexit as a major contributing factor. It has induced awful polarisation and lack of respect.
Perhaps calling everyone you don't agree with a fascist was not a good idea after all?
Two months later Fortuyn was shot dead in cold blood by another radical.
Milkshakes and eggs seem harmless enough, but they are not. Once you normalise physical attacks on a politician, other people will take it further. Enough.
> @RobD said: > > @rpjs said: > > > @RobD said: > > > > @rpjs said: > > > > > @eristdoof said: > > > > > > @MikeSmithson said: > > > > > > One of the great hings about having a postal vote is that there can be no last minute change of mind after you've popped it in the post. > > > > > > > > > > One of the not so great things about a postal vote is not knowing whether the letter with the ballot paper is going to turn up! > > > > > > > > I sent mine by Fedex from the US and A to ensure it got there in time. Tracking says it was delivered today. Cost me just short of $70. I really can’t decide if it’s one of the most wisest or most foolish seventy bucks I’ve spent. > > > > > > Bloody yanks interfering with our elections. First Obama, now this.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am Schrodinger's Subject. I renounced my allegiance to the Queen in 2017, but Brenda is saying "la la la I can't hear you" > > Literally a traitor, too? > > (joking, of course!!)
Actually it was no joking matter for William Joyce!
> @Byronic said: > Final comment on Milkshakegate > > Someone on FB has just pointed out that in early 2002, a radical protester shoved a pie full of blood and crap in Pim Fortuyn's face. > > https://images.app.goo.gl/rLViwZqgnB6wsV6c6 > > Two months later Fortuyn was shot dead in cold blood by another radical. > > Milkshakes and eggs seem harmless enough, but they are not. Once you normalise physical attacks on a politician, other people will take it further. Enough.
And his killer has apparently already been released.
Re the latest Wales poll I fear that Labour's fence sitting may have damaged the Party irrepererably. I know a number of members who have voted Plaid or Green. Once you go over that white line there is no going back.
There's been much murmuring about angry type Leavers backing Farage/BP.
But I wonder if a more significant factor is the frustrated/weary type Leaver moving that way. It's easy to focus on what we dislike in our opponents (hence the traitor/xenophobe insult-flinging), but perhaps most of the BP and Lib Dem surge is down to people wanting the matter resolved and, as some wise chap or lady on Twitter explained, that leads people to shift to the 'cleanest' possible outcomes, which are No Deal/Remain [yes, yes, I know].
On the other hand, it's not necessarily the nuance that's lost voters in the floating middle, but the failure of either major party to have a successful policy. Had May's deal passed first time, where would we be?
Just seen the header on the previous thread, and I think Labour have made a big mistake by putting Farage into the same category as Tommy Robinson. Most people wouldn't agree with that comparison.
Both Farage and Tommy Robinson talk about Muslims as fifth columnists.
Both were fine with Gerard Batten requiring Muslims to sign a charter.
When you look like me and you have to deal with Tommy’s street army on a regular basis then Farage and Robinson are two cheeks of the same arse.
> @TheScreamingEagles said: > > @TheScreamingEagles said: > > > Is it this a safe space or might I get milkshaked? > > > > > > I’d be more worried about being hit by a pizza with pineapple on it. > > > > Did you see in the last thread that not only is Mark Reckless a traitorous pig dog, he is also a poll embargo breaker... > > As I said in 2014 > > ‘I’m not supposed to use the f word but Mark Reckless is a f*cking c*nt who deserves a red hot poker up his arse.’ > > There’s a special circle of hell reserved for people who deliberately break embargoes.
> @valleyboy said: > Re the latest Wales poll I fear that Labour's fence sitting may have damaged the Party irrepererably. I know a number of members who have voted Plaid or Green. > Once you go over that white line there is no going back.
Let us hope so. Time they were thrown out of government in Wales
> @RobD said: > > @Byronic said: > > Final comment on Milkshakegate > > > > Someone on FB has just pointed out that in early 2002, a radical protester shoved a pie full of blood and crap in Pim Fortuyn's face. > > > > https://images.app.goo.gl/rLViwZqgnB6wsV6c6 > > > > Two months later Fortuyn was shot dead in cold blood by another radical. > > > > Milkshakes and eggs seem harmless enough, but they are not. Once you normalise physical attacks on a politician, other people will take it further. Enough. > > And his killer has apparently already been released.<
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And look at this: a Scottish Tory councillor's house and car is firebombed?
Pulpstar, in answer to your rather dismissive question on the last thread, my 'point' was contained in the opening question.
Where do we draw the line about what is and is not acceptable? We will all advocate some forms of demonstration presumably, but when, how, where and against whom are lines of appropriate behaviour crossed?
I would repost my previous lengthy homily on the subject but you clearly don't have the appetite or courtesy to engage with it. Which is of course your prerogative
I've just gone back through the previous thread and can't for the life of me work out what you're wittering on about.
FPT: Mr. Anazina, it's almost as if one's a nickname and one's just pejorative.
*sighs*
You keep bleating on about that. As for 'pearl clutching', I was quite content to immediately refrain from using a term I'd rarely heard used but was informed by someone here was offensive to Scots. I didn't accuse him of pearl clutching or whatever nonsense people without an argument claim to try and invalidate someone's perspective.
Frog and Little Englander are both pejorative. I regard the spectacle of someone who has never been too France clutching his pearls at being called a Little Englander, while referring to the neighbours he has never got off his arse to visit as Frogs as darkly ironic, even if you don't.
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Edit: Thanks, Sunil
Don't think I've voted in an EU election since 1999 (I might have voted in 2009 but can't really remember. Definitely sat out 2004 and 2014)
I won't be sitting out 2019 though!
> Why was 1999 so low?
Wasn't the entire election by post?
> Is it this a safe space or might I get milkshaked?
Do you deserve to be milkshaked?
> Why was 1999 so low?
Peak "I'll vote for Tony at the GE but can't be arsed at any other point" Labour vote I think.
*sighs*
You keep bleating on about that. As for 'pearl clutching', I was quite content to immediately refrain from using a term I'd rarely heard used but was informed by someone here was offensive to Scots. I didn't accuse him of pearl clutching or whatever nonsense people without an argument claim to try and invalidate someone's perspective.
Spoiled ballot is currently the likeliest option.
> > @FrancisUrquhart said:
> > Is it this a safe space or might I get milkshaked?
>
> Do you deserve to be milkshaked?
Well I did say that I didn't think Carl Benjamin's YouTube channel should have been demonetized, so that makes me alt-right adjacent in some people's eyes and therefore probably fair game these days.....
> On-topic: I still don't know how I'm voting.
>
> Spoiled ballot is currently the likeliest option.
You could write a chapter from one of your books on the ballot paper given how big they are.
> > @TheWhiteRabbit said:
> > Why was 1999 so low?
>
> Peak "I'll vote for Tony at the GE but can't be arsed at any other point" Labour vote I think.
No locals on the same day didn't help.
> > @TheWhiteRabbit said:
> > Why was 1999 so low?
>
> Wasn't the entire election by post?
Four regions only, in the North and Midlands.
"Vote for this lot? It's about as tempting a prospect as a handjob from Edward Scissorhands."
Was the last time the Euros didn’t coincide with the locals.
Everyone knows x is short for x rated language, so everyone knows which party you really dislike.
> Mr. 86, I might write one of my many marvellous jests.
>
> "Vote for this lot? It's about as tempting a prospect as a handjob from Edward Scissorhands."
Remember, you can be identified.
> Is it this a safe space or might I get milkshaked?
>
> I’d be more worried about being hit by a pizza with pineapple on it.
Did you see in the last thread that not only is Mark Reckless a traitorous pig dog, he is also a poll embargo breaker...
> On-topic: I still don't know how I'm voting.
>
> Spoiled ballot is currently the likeliest option.
>
> Write "BREXIT" with the X in the Conservative box. It will give the agent something to do.
But spell it BREKSIT, just to mess with them.
> On-topic: I still don't know how I'm voting.
>
> Spoiled ballot is currently the likeliest option.
One trusts it will be spoiled in some style, Morris. May I suggest the following inscription:
"Non amo te, Mrs May, nec possum dicere quare.
Hoc tantum possum dicere: non amo te."
> On-topic: I still don't know how I'm voting.
>
> Spoiled ballot is currently the likeliest option.
>
> Write "BREXIT" with the X in the Conservative box. It will give the agent something to do.
How do agents work for the Euros? Is one appointed in every LA area to be present at that count?
>
> Write "People's vote" in the Brexit party box ?
Draw a picture of a milkshake in the box.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/399731975432728576
> Hmm, I wonder why Tissue_Price would advocate (in a rather cheeky manner) voting Tory?
I thought members of the Conservative Party advocating voting Brexit Party or LibDem these days. To find one urging people to vote Conservative is something of a novelty.
Can't see HS2 surviving much longer.
> One of the great hings about having a postal vote is that there can be no last minute change of mind after you've popped it in the post.
One of the not so great things about a postal vote is not knowing whether the letter with the ballot paper is going to turn up!
2020 Democratic Presidential Nomination FOX News Biden 35, Sanders 17, Warren 9, Harris 5, Buttigieg 6, O'Rourke 4, Booker 3, Castro 2, Klobuchar 2, Gabbard 1, Yang 1, Gillibrand 0, Ryan 1, Bennet 0
> https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1130479165323599873
Osborne's not an MP?
I should wear a burka.
The big misprice is Shaun Bailey who at 11-2 or whatever looks way too short - Khan still fairly priced at 1.3 or so.
"One of the great hings about having a postal vote is that there can be no last minute change of mind after you've popped it in the post."
................................................................................................................
So that one for CHUK in Bedford then !!!!!!!! ....
It would have been my first Euro-Vote: I think that was the year that in Bristol we voted out a particularly arrogant MEP who was afraid of flying and one time he stormed the cockpit because the stewardess insisted he fastened his seat belt.
I can see clear differentiation between all the other parties to a lesser or greater degree but I'm struggling with CHUK and Lib Dems.
> > @Morris_Dancer said:
> > On-topic: I still don't know how I'm voting.
> >
> > Spoiled ballot is currently the likeliest option.
>
> One trusts it will be spoiled in some style, Morris. May I suggest the following inscription:
>
> "Non amo te, Mrs May, nec possum dicere quare.
> Hoc tantum possum dicere: non amo te."
I do not like thee, Mrs. May.
The reason why, I cannot say.
But this I know in every way,
I do not like thee, Mrs. May.
Good question.
> > @MikeSmithson said:
> > One of the great hings about having a postal vote is that there can be no last minute change of mind after you've popped it in the post.
>
> One of the not so great things about a postal vote is not knowing whether the letter with the ballot paper is going to turn up!
I sent mine by Fedex from the US and A to ensure it got there in time. Tracking says it was delivered today. Cost me just short of $70. I really can’t decide if it’s one of the most wisest or most foolish seventy bucks I’ve spent.
> What's the actual difference between Change UK and the Lib Dems ?
>
> I can see clear differentiation between all the other parties to a lesser or greater degree but I'm struggling with CHUK and Lib Dems.
CHUK want to revoke now. They appear to want to change the UK by removing democracy.
> https://twitter.com/PolhomeEditor/status/1130481307484590080
>
>
>
> lol, +26
>
> This election is now a EU referendum vote, where there is one Brexit option and five different types of Remain.
Surely at least 3 Brexit options - BP/UKIP/Con
> > @Peter_the_Punter said:
> > > @Morris_Dancer said:
> > > On-topic: I still don't know how I'm voting.
> > >
> > > Spoiled ballot is currently the likeliest option.
> >
> > One trusts it will be spoiled in some style, Morris. May I suggest the following inscription:
> >
> > "Non amo te, Mrs May, nec possum dicere quare.
> > Hoc tantum possum dicere: non amo te."
>
> I do not like thee, Mrs. May.
> The reason why, I cannot say.
> But this I know in every way,
> I do not like thee, Mrs. May.
Beautiful translation, Nigel. You are evidently a scholar as well as a gentleman.
Also, the Lib Dems are better at politics.
> > @Nigelb said:
> > > @Peter_the_Punter said:
> > > > @Morris_Dancer said:
> > > > On-topic: I still don't know how I'm voting.
> > > >
> > > > Spoiled ballot is currently the likeliest option.
> > >
> > > One trusts it will be spoiled in some style, Morris. May I suggest the following inscription:
> > >
> > > "Non amo te, Mrs May, nec possum dicere quare.
> > > Hoc tantum possum dicere: non amo te."
> >
> > I do not like thee, Mrs. May.
> > The reason why, I cannot say.
> > But this I know in every way,
> > I do not like thee, Mrs. May.
>
> Beautiful translation, Nigel. You are evidently a scholar as well as a gentleman.
Sadly, not my work, in the main...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_do_not_like_thee,_Doctor_Fell
Brexit 36%
Bremain 37%
Confusion & duplicity 21%
> What's the actual difference between Change UK and the Lib Dems ?
>
> I can see clear differentiation between all the other parties to a lesser or greater degree but I'm struggling with CHUK and Lib Dems.
CHUK is little more than "we don't like the tories and we don't like Labour and we want to remain"
The LD'S are a well organised party with a full mainfesto at each national election, many councillors throughout GB and hope to form coalition governments.
They seem quite different to me.
> > @eristdoof said:
> > > @MikeSmithson said:
> > > One of the great hings about having a postal vote is that there can be no last minute change of mind after you've popped it in the post.
> >
> > One of the not so great things about a postal vote is not knowing whether the letter with the ballot paper is going to turn up!
>
> I sent mine by Fedex from the US and A to ensure it got there in time. Tracking says it was delivered today. Cost me just short of $70. I really can’t decide if it’s one of the most wisest or most foolish seventy bucks I’ve spent.
Bloody yanks interfering with our elections. First Obama, now this....
> > @rottenborough said:
> > https://twitter.com/PolhomeEditor/status/1130481307484590080
> >
> >
> >
> > lol, +26
> >
> > This election is now a EU referendum vote, where there is one Brexit option and five different types of Remain.
>
> Surely at least 3 Brexit options - BP/UKIP/Con
Are we not forgetting Corbyn's customs unicorn
> > @rpjs said:
> > > @eristdoof said:
> > > > @MikeSmithson said:
> > > > One of the great hings about having a postal vote is that there can be no last minute change of mind after you've popped it in the post.
> > >
> > > One of the not so great things about a postal vote is not knowing whether the letter with the ballot paper is going to turn up!
> >
> > I sent mine by Fedex from the US and A to ensure it got there in time. Tracking says it was delivered today. Cost me just short of $70. I really can’t decide if it’s one of the most wisest or most foolish seventy bucks I’ve spent.
>
> Bloody yanks interfering with our elections. First Obama, now this....
>
>
>
I can only do that if I receive the letter!
I did try teaching myself, but it did not go well.
> CHUK want to revoke now. They appear to want to change the UK by removing democracy.
But surely they can only do that if they win the next election, so it *would* be democracy!
> > @Pulpstar said:
> > What's the actual difference between Change UK and the Lib Dems ?
> >
> > I can see clear differentiation between all the other parties to a lesser or greater degree but I'm struggling with CHUK and Lib Dems.
>
> CHUK is little more than "we don't like the tories and we don't like Labour and we want to remain"
>
> The LD'S are a well organised party with a full mainfesto at each national election, many councillors throughout GB and hope to form coalition governments.
>
> They seem quite different to me.
>
Sure, my question was more aimed at what the hell is the point of CHUK ?
Now UKIP has obviously died on its arse so there was a need to rebrand the leave project... the Lib Dems are looking up though - so just quite simply what was/is the point of CHUK !
I think the question begs the answer 'not much point' - and it is reflected in the polling.
"What's the actual difference between Change UK and the Lib Dems ?
I can see clear differentiation between all the other parties to a lesser or greater degree but I'm struggling with CHUK and Lib Dems."
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You get a far superior bar chart with the LibDems and their beards are more ragged and unkempt .... And that's just the women !!!!!! ....
That is why there in this mess.
Where do we draw the line about what is and is not acceptable? We will all advocate some forms of demonstration presumably, but when, how, where and against whom are lines of appropriate behaviour crossed?
I would repost my previous lengthy homily on the subject but you clearly don't have the appetite or courtesy to engage with it. Which is of course your prerogative
> > @rpjs said:
> > > @eristdoof said:
> > > > @MikeSmithson said:
> > > > One of the great hings about having a postal vote is that there can be no last minute change of mind after you've popped it in the post.
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> > > One of the not so great things about a postal vote is not knowing whether the letter with the ballot paper is going to turn up!
> >
> > I sent mine by Fedex from the US and A to ensure it got there in time. Tracking says it was delivered today. Cost me just short of $70. I really can’t decide if it’s one of the most wisest or most foolish seventy bucks I’ve spent.
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> Bloody yanks interfering with our elections. First Obama, now this....
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I am Schrodinger's Subject. I renounced my allegiance to the Queen in 2017, but Brenda is saying "la la la I can't hear you"
I've noticed the level of hate in this country has soared in the last few years. Since about 2015 actually. Just hate. For so many things and, often, so many people.
Tolerance, finding middle ground, courtesy seem to be evaporating.
I'm not pointing the finger at particular politicians but, yes, I do cite Brexit as a major contributing factor. It has induced awful polarisation and lack of respect.
> > @RobD said:
> > > @rpjs said:
> > > > @eristdoof said:
> > > > > @MikeSmithson said:
> > > > > One of the great hings about having a postal vote is that there can be no last minute change of mind after you've popped it in the post.
> > > >
> > > > One of the not so great things about a postal vote is not knowing whether the letter with the ballot paper is going to turn up!
> > >
> > > I sent mine by Fedex from the US and A to ensure it got there in time. Tracking says it was delivered today. Cost me just short of $70. I really can’t decide if it’s one of the most wisest or most foolish seventy bucks I’ve spent.
> >
> > Bloody yanks interfering with our elections. First Obama, now this....
> >
> >
> >
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> I am Schrodinger's Subject. I renounced my allegiance to the Queen in 2017, but Brenda is saying "la la la I can't hear you"
Literally a traitor, too?
(joking, of course!!)
> > @RobD said:
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> > Hmm, I wonder why Tissue_Price would advocate (in a rather cheeky manner) voting Tory?
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> I thought members of the Conservative Party advocating voting Brexit Party or LibDem these days. To find one urging people to vote Conservative is something of a novelty.
I have and did
‘I’m not supposed to use the f word but Mark Reckless is a f*cking c*nt who deserves a red hot poker up his arse.’
There’s a special circle of hell reserved for people who deliberately break embargoes.
> Oh and one final comment, admittedly slightly anecdotal.
>
> I've noticed the level of hate in this country has soared in the last few years. Since about 2015 actually. Just hate. For so many things and, often, so many people.
>
> Tolerance, finding middle ground, courtesy seem to be evaporating.
>
> I'm not pointing the finger at particular politicians but, yes, I do cite Brexit as a major contributing factor. It has induced awful polarisation and lack of respect.
Perhaps calling everyone you don't agree with a fascist was not a good idea after all?
Someone on FB has just pointed out that in early 2002, a radical protester shoved a pie full of blood and crap in Pim Fortuyn's face.
https://images.app.goo.gl/rLViwZqgnB6wsV6c6
Two months later Fortuyn was shot dead in cold blood by another radical.
Milkshakes and eggs seem harmless enough, but they are not. Once you normalise physical attacks on a politician, other people will take it further. Enough.
> > @rpjs said:
> > > @RobD said:
> > > > @rpjs said:
> > > > > @eristdoof said:
> > > > > > @MikeSmithson said:
> > > > > > One of the great hings about having a postal vote is that there can be no last minute change of mind after you've popped it in the post.
> > > > >
> > > > > One of the not so great things about a postal vote is not knowing whether the letter with the ballot paper is going to turn up!
> > > >
> > > > I sent mine by Fedex from the US and A to ensure it got there in time. Tracking says it was delivered today. Cost me just short of $70. I really can’t decide if it’s one of the most wisest or most foolish seventy bucks I’ve spent.
> > >
> > > Bloody yanks interfering with our elections. First Obama, now this....
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > I am Schrodinger's Subject. I renounced my allegiance to the Queen in 2017, but Brenda is saying "la la la I can't hear you"
>
> Literally a traitor, too?
>
> (joking, of course!!)
Actually it was no joking matter for William Joyce!
> Final comment on Milkshakegate
>
> Someone on FB has just pointed out that in early 2002, a radical protester shoved a pie full of blood and crap in Pim Fortuyn's face.
>
> https://images.app.goo.gl/rLViwZqgnB6wsV6c6
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> Two months later Fortuyn was shot dead in cold blood by another radical.
>
> Milkshakes and eggs seem harmless enough, but they are not. Once you normalise physical attacks on a politician, other people will take it further. Enough.
And his killer has apparently already been released.
Once you go over that white line there is no going back.
But I wonder if a more significant factor is the frustrated/weary type Leaver moving that way. It's easy to focus on what we dislike in our opponents (hence the traitor/xenophobe insult-flinging), but perhaps most of the BP and Lib Dem surge is down to people wanting the matter resolved and, as some wise chap or lady on Twitter explained, that leads people to shift to the 'cleanest' possible outcomes, which are No Deal/Remain [yes, yes, I know].
On the other hand, it's not necessarily the nuance that's lost voters in the floating middle, but the failure of either major party to have a successful policy. Had May's deal passed first time, where would we be?
Edited to correct a typo.
https://twitter.com/agcolehamilton/status/1130111996966449153https:
Both were fine with Gerard Batten requiring Muslims to sign a charter.
When you look like me and you have to deal with Tommy’s street army on a regular basis then Farage and Robinson are two cheeks of the same arse.
> > @TheScreamingEagles said:
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> > Is it this a safe space or might I get milkshaked?
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> > I’d be more worried about being hit by a pizza with pineapple on it.
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> Did you see in the last thread that not only is Mark Reckless a traitorous pig dog, he is also a poll embargo breaker...
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> As I said in 2014
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> ‘I’m not supposed to use the f word but Mark Reckless is a f*cking c*nt who deserves a red hot poker up his arse.’
>
> There’s a special circle of hell reserved for people who deliberately break embargoes.
it's just all sexual fantasy with you atm
> Re the latest Wales poll I fear that Labour's fence sitting may have damaged the Party irrepererably. I know a number of members who have voted Plaid or Green.
> Once you go over that white line there is no going back.
Let us hope so. Time they were thrown out of government in Wales
> > @Byronic said:
> > Final comment on Milkshakegate
> >
> > Someone on FB has just pointed out that in early 2002, a radical protester shoved a pie full of blood and crap in Pim Fortuyn's face.
> >
> > https://images.app.goo.gl/rLViwZqgnB6wsV6c6
> >
> > Two months later Fortuyn was shot dead in cold blood by another radical.
> >
> > Milkshakes and eggs seem harmless enough, but they are not. Once you normalise physical attacks on a politician, other people will take it further. Enough.
>
> And his killer has apparently already been released.<
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And look at this: a Scottish Tory councillor's house and car is firebombed?
https://twitter.com/RuthDavidsonMSP/status/1130487640996737024
Who knows if this is because of his politics. The victim thinks it is. All this must stop.
> An important revelation, the EssEnPee are vote perverters.
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"Only a vote for [unionist party x] will signal your support for [y] and that you're ANGRY about Nicola Sturgeon."
Geordie hospitality.
Your bizarre notion I have some sort of duty to go travelling to places you've determined are necessary to visit is perplexing.
> What caused the surge in green votes in 1989? Was it the recent discovery of the ozone hole?
>
The Greens stood on an anti-EU platform in 1989!
One of them tried to punch me earlier on this month.